Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science

E-mail from Patrick Holford

April 24, 2007 · 8 Comments

Patrick Holford has e-mailed me with some comments about, and responses to, this website - and asked me to publish them here. I’m therefore pleased to reproduce his e-mail below (in full and unedited), but will first give a few links to put this in context. The post about Burne, Rath and HIV/AIDS that Holford refers to is here (and I have also responded to these issues in more depth). I discuss Food for the Brain’s advice to autistic children here, and the Catherine Collins criticisms which Holford refers to are contained in this Independent article.

I’ll respond to the specific points that Holford raises when time allows. As Holford states in his e-mail, I remain willing to remove and/or correct anything on this site which is shown to be false - although of course I have aimed to make this site as accurate as possible, and Holford has not yet pointed out any errors which need correcting. I also look forward to Holford’s response to the scientific and medical points I raise (and have, as Holford states below, agreed to post this response on Holford Watch). Below, I have reproduced the text from Patrick Holford’s e-mailed response to this site:

Dear Jon - I welcome robust questioning of ideas - with an open mind. In a sense almost all of my work has come out of doing just that within the field of nutrition and, more specifically, mental health.

However I would suggest that you go somewhat beyond that, when you first portray Mathias Rath as an arch villain without any consideration of the fact that the BMJ had both apologised to to him and paid him a whopping £100,000 settlement, then throw in a comment about a co-author of mine ‘apparently’ clapping at some point during a talk (since when was this a crime?) and then, in a leap that defies logic use these two facts to have a dig at me. This is not robust questioning of ideas in the interest of science, rather it is closer to the smear tactics of the McCarthy era. It strongly suggests that you already have a fixed mind set and aren’t willing to adjust, regardless of the science.

An example of your reluctance to consider the evidence would be your attitudes to HIV and vitamin C. You’ve obviously read the ping-pong exchanges on this between myself and Goldacre. I didn’t even lecture on AIDS in South Africa! Given that high dose vitamin C does consistently show profound anti-viral activity; significantly outperforms AZT in reducing viral load in vitro and is non-toxic (see www.patrickholford.com/hiv for the references); that the few studies that have given small but decent amounts of vitamin C to patients, have made a positive difference, what do you propose is the ethical thing to do with this information? Ignore it? Bring it to the public’s attention and hope that the much needed follow-on research is done? Or ridicule it, which can only have the effect of stifling further research? ARVs do nothing to reconstitute a weakened immune system, hence there is good logic in exploring the role of nutrition in enhancing immune response alongside medication.

I know of many individuals who have benefited from high dose vitamin C and none that have been harmed. I know of none who have shunned their ARVs for vitamin C and I have certainly not recommended any to do so. Given this information what do you think is the right thing to do?

Another of the points you take issue with concerns Food for the Brain’s advice for autistic children and on this I accept that your critique has merit. We have since added caveats for parents who wish to put their child on a gluten-free/casein-free diet to see if it helps, expanding the text about it on the website www.foodforthebrain.org as follows:

” Consider testing your child for IgE and IgG food allergies and avoid those foods to which they test allergic. Alternatively, consider pursuing a wheat and dairy free diet which has proven helpful for some, but not all, autistic children. However we recommend you do so under medical supervision, or supervision of a dietician or nutritional therapist to ensure that suitable replacement foods are included that ensure your child achieves optimal nutrition. Click here for a review of this approach. You may also wish to give your child a chemical additive free diet which has also proven helpful for some.” [Link to comprehensive report on review of research into wheat, milk and autism.]

If you have worked with autistic children you would know that, for some, this approach makes a huge difference. Many parents of autistic children are simply not aware of this and it is our intent to inform them about any nutritional intervention that may be helpful. I am not aware of this advice having caused harm. You are no doubt aware that the dietician Catherine Collins strongly criticized this approach in the Independent. And also that one girl we treated, to which she referred, showed considerable clinical improvement and that her mother was delighted with the results, as were many of the other parents who took part in this project. Catherine Collins never actually met or spoke with either the girl or her mother. When the facts of this case were shown to the Independent they were willing to publish my letter of correction.

I will respond on the other scientific and medical points you raise in due course, including the merits of IgG antibody tests, and thank you for your offer to publish my responses and to correct or remove false allegations.

Yours sincerely, Patrick Holford

Categories: AIDS · Food for the brain foundation · HIV · IgG tests · Matthias Rath · autism · elimination diets · patrick holford

8 responses so far ↓

  • Shinga // April 24, 2007 at 8:30 pm

    Ignoring other issues, one of my difficulties about restricted diets for children is the psychological burden and the social difficulties that it causes. Leaving that aside, it can take a surprisingly long time for nutritional deficiencies:
    i) to show up
    ii) to be recognised as such.
    E.g., it can take 5 years and more for a B12 deficiency to manifest itself in an adult.

    In my experience of working with children, it is not unusual for children on the autistic or related spectrum to have a number of food aversions - implementing any form of diet can be remarkably difficult and introduce a new form of conflict into family life.

    Regards - Shinga

  • coracle // April 24, 2007 at 8:46 pm

    The right thing to do would surely be to follow the advice of qualified medical doctor. The right thing would be to wait for large double-blind, placebo controlled trials to demonstrate a clear advantage in reducing HIV titre compared to the current gold standard treatment. Ideally, advice from medical authorities and prescribing bodies would also feature.

    The right thing would be to not extrapolate from in vitro studies. The right thing to do would be to provide references to clinical trials in peer-reviewed journals.

    By the way, I’ve got some nice references from pubmed that shoot some holes in the Vit C hypothesis. I won’t post them here as I don’t want to steal your thunder. Let me know if you want me to post them.

  • Jon // April 24, 2007 at 10:41 pm

    Shinga- that’s an interesting point about psychological effects…

    Coracle- that’s great, go ahead and post the links. All links/info welcome (except for viagra ads, of course ;) )

  • coracle // April 25, 2007 at 5:16 pm

    First off, the only placebo-controlled clinical trial for Vitamin C as a therapeutic agent against HIV infection listed in Pubmed found that Vitamin C did not achieve statistical significance (Allard et al, 1998). It did not even come close (p=0.01). One other study looked at Vitamin C for HIV but was not placebo controlled and was very small (n = 8, Muller et al, 2000).

    Secondly, Vitamin C may significantly decrease the amount of the anti-HIV agent indinavir present in patients (Slain et al, 2005 and Mills et al, 2005). This means that a potentially important anti-retroviral drug (GPnotebook) could be less effective if high-dose Vitamin C is co-administered.

    Combined, the evidence suggests that high-dose vitamin C is at best useless and at worst dangerous.

    Allard, J P, E Aghdassi, J Chau, C Tam, C M Kovacs, I E Salit, et al. 1998. Effects of vitamin E and C supplementation on oxidative stress and viral load in HIV-infected subjects. AIDS (London, England) 12, no. 13 (September 10): 1653-9.

    Mills, Edward, Victor Montori, Dan Perri, Elizabeth Phillips, and Gideon Koren. 2005. Natural health product-HIV drug interactions: a systematic review. International journal of STD & AIDS 16, no. 3 (March): 181-6.
    Müller, F, A M Svardal, I Nordoy, R K Berge, P Aukrust, and S S Frøland. 2000. Virological and immunological effects of antioxidant treatment in patients with HIV infection. European journal of clinical investigation 30, no. 10 (October): 905-14.
    Slain, Douglas, Jarrett R Amsden, Rashida A Khakoo, Melanie A Fisher, David Lalka, and Gerry R Hobbs. 2005. Effect of high-dose vitamin C on the steady-state pharmacokinetics of the protease inhibitor indinavir in healthy volunteers. Pharmacotherapy 25, no. 2 (February): 165-70.

    antiretroviral chemotherapy in HIV infection

    Disclaimer: These opinions are not medically qualified.

  • David // September 10, 2007 at 6:33 am

    Well, I make no claims as nutritionist, chemist, or medical. I have been taking 4,000 mg of vitamin C for 4 years now and I have not had a single sore throat or cold.

    Explain that away.

    I eat a healthy diet and get exercise on a daily bases. You seem to be biased on the topic. And what are your qualifications to dole out advise?

    I may state that I take large doses, but I would never pass myself as an expert.

  • Shinga // September 10, 2007 at 9:42 am

    A number of dittos.

    Neither I nor my husband take Vitamin C supplements but have not had a cold or flu in more than 20 years - I don’t think that there’s any point in asking anyone to explain that.

    We’re not the ones advising people on Vitamin C v. AZT.

    By the by - Patrick Holford (the subject of this topic and blog) has a degree in psychology but no qualifications in nutrition either - do you challenge his right to give advice because that would be really interesting?

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