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	<title>Comments on: The Observer fails to correct or retract its glaringly obvious mistakes on MMR and autism.  For the third week running.  Despite these being explained to them in very, very simple terms</title>
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		<title>By: Myth: Autism Omnibus Hearings Have Not Included Evidence About MMR KIDS CHILDREN BABY</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Autism Omnibus Hearings Have Not Included Evidence About MMR Recently, there have been several comments, news-stories and posts that disseminate the misunderstanding that the Autism Omnibus Hearings have [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: 1 in 58 Have Autism Redux: I Blame The Observer &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[1 in 58 Have Autism Redux: I Blame The Observer &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Apr 2008 14:49:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Guardian, the BMJ, and Holford Watch in BMJ Rapid Responses More terrible Observer MMR coverage  The Observer fails to correct or retract its glaringly obvious mistakes on MMR and autism. For the t... The Observer eventually responds to my e-mail pointing out their basic factual errors on MMR. And [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Jon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 14:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Fran, you state that

&lt;blockquote&gt;Describing the MMR controversy as one of “such notions that verge on the irrational” is, quite frankly, a silly and rash condemnation; surely its the most rational idea in the world that bombarding a child with three virsuses at once, however non-pathological they are deemed to be, may be too much for the infant immune system. I see nothing particularly irrational.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

The MMR-autism hypothesis isn&#039;t necessarily irrational in-itself.  What is irrational is to continue to hang onto this hypothesis after it has been falsified.

re. Wakefield, I actually think he&#039;s getting off pretty lightly in the media.  The guy is accused (with pretty strong evidence - including video of him admitting to paying children for blood at a party) of unethical research on children.  Normally this type of thing would have the Mail calling for the reintroduction of hanging, but instead Wakefield&#039;s getting a rather sympathetic reception.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fran, you state that</p>
<blockquote><p>Describing the MMR controversy as one of “such notions that verge on the irrational” is, quite frankly, a silly and rash condemnation; surely its the most rational idea in the world that bombarding a child with three virsuses at once, however non-pathological they are deemed to be, may be too much for the infant immune system. I see nothing particularly irrational.</p></blockquote>
<p>The MMR-autism hypothesis isn&#8217;t necessarily irrational in-itself.  What is irrational is to continue to hang onto this hypothesis after it has been falsified.</p>
<p>re. Wakefield, I actually think he&#8217;s getting off pretty lightly in the media.  The guy is accused (with pretty strong evidence &#8211; including video of him admitting to paying children for blood at a party) of unethical research on children.  Normally this type of thing would have the Mail calling for the reintroduction of hanging, but instead Wakefield&#8217;s getting a rather sympathetic reception.</p>
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		<title>By: Shinga</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2007/07/29/the-observer-fails-to-correct-or-retract-its-glaringly-obvious-mistakes-on-autism-for-the-third-week-running-despite-these-being-explained-to-them-in-very-very-simple-terms/comment-page-1/#comment-780</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shinga]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 11:07:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m seriously offended by people failing to address the issues in the IOM review and the findings that the infant immune system is capable of coping with vaccines without insult. I&#039;m seriusly offended by people who criticise others for criticising without troubling to do any background reading. I live with it...

You&#039;re offended by a link? I do wonder how you can bear to pick your way through the Internet as you must be offended on a regular basis. Some people are offended by science, or the existence of attitudes that don&#039;t match their own confirmation bias - we all have to live with that.

Why don&#039;t you read up on Andrew Wakefield before objecting to Arthur Allen&#039;s characterisation of him - which is far from mud-slinging. You are aware that Mr Matanoski, a lawyer for the US Govt. Health and Human Services Dept., recently made this remarkable comment in his &lt;a href=&quot;ftp://autism.uscfc.uscourts.gov/autism/transcripts/day12.pdf&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;concluding statements for the first part of the Autism Omnibus hearings (pdf)&lt;/a&gt; in the US. 
&lt;blockquote&gt;The MMR-autism case has no plausible or verifiable science to support it.
It&#039;s at best speculation, idle speculation. Now, at worst--at worst--it&#039;s a contrivance. It&#039;s a contrivance that&#039;s been developed and articulated and promoted by its chief proponent, and that&#039;s Andrew Wakefield. He promoted it for financial gain. Either way it&#039;s not science. 
pgs 28-9: Day 12 Transcript of Cedillo v. Secretary of Health and Human Services&lt;/blockquote&gt;

By the by - editing your comment for obscene language, something that was unnecessary and offensive...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m seriously offended by people failing to address the issues in the IOM review and the findings that the infant immune system is capable of coping with vaccines without insult. I&#8217;m seriusly offended by people who criticise others for criticising without troubling to do any background reading. I live with it&#8230;</p>
<p>You&#8217;re offended by a link? I do wonder how you can bear to pick your way through the Internet as you must be offended on a regular basis. Some people are offended by science, or the existence of attitudes that don&#8217;t match their own confirmation bias &#8211; we all have to live with that.</p>
<p>Why don&#8217;t you read up on Andrew Wakefield before objecting to Arthur Allen&#8217;s characterisation of him &#8211; which is far from mud-slinging. You are aware that Mr Matanoski, a lawyer for the US Govt. Health and Human Services Dept., recently made this remarkable comment in his <a href="ftp://autism.uscfc.uscourts.gov/autism/transcripts/day12.pdf" rel="nofollow">concluding statements for the first part of the Autism Omnibus hearings (pdf)</a> in the US. </p>
<blockquote><p>The MMR-autism case has no plausible or verifiable science to support it.<br />
It&#8217;s at best speculation, idle speculation. Now, at worst&#8211;at worst&#8211;it&#8217;s a contrivance. It&#8217;s a contrivance that&#8217;s been developed and articulated and promoted by its chief proponent, and that&#8217;s Andrew Wakefield. He promoted it for financial gain. Either way it&#8217;s not science.<br />
pgs 28-9: Day 12 Transcript of Cedillo v. Secretary of Health and Human Services</p></blockquote>
<p>By the by &#8211; editing your comment for obscene language, something that was unnecessary and offensive&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Fran</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Fran]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Aug 2007 01:47:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am disappointed that, on a post relating to the inaccuracy and ridiculous statements made by a journalist, Shinga has posted a link to a similarly tactless article. Describing the MMR controversy as one of &quot;such notions that verge on the irrational&quot; is, quite frankly, a silly and rash condemnation; surely its the most rational idea in the world that bombarding a child with three virsuses at once, however non-pathological they are deemed to be, may be too much for the infant immune system. I see nothing particularly irrational.

Another thing that irritated me was his assertion that; &quot;In the homes of autistic children it is not unusual to find cabinets filled with 40 different vitamins and supplements, along with casein-free, gluten-free foods, antibiotics, and other drugs and potions.&quot; Whilst this may be true (although what he means by &quot;unusual&quot; is unclear - no stats are provided, so again this is a sweeping generalisation); it is also an obvious manipulation of the controversy itself. Doctor I may not be, but it seems glaringly obvious that measles in the gut would cause serious digestion problems; and from what I understand, gluten intolerance (listed) is one of the more common. 

Finally, in what was possibly one of the most horrifying statements I have ever read, Arthur Allen (who doesn&#039;t appear to have a doctor in front of his name, might I add) asserts; &quot;Blaming vaccines can promise benefits. Victory in a lawsuit is an obvious one, especially for middle-class parents struggling to care for and educate their unruly and unresponsive kids.&quot; Disgusting. So instead of resorting to criticising his methods, or his findings themselves (or as most have recently resorted to, slinging mud at Andrew Wakefield personally, which I don&#039;t really understand); Allen has decided to attack the unfortunate parents of seriously ill children. Or rather, the money-grabbing [edited for obscene language] using their seriously ill children to make a quick buck, as Allen would have you believe. Shinga, I&#039;m sorry, but I was seriously offended by the link you have made here; and to be perfectly honest, I think Allen&#039;s article is more worthy of attack by Holford than the Observer&#039;s one.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am disappointed that, on a post relating to the inaccuracy and ridiculous statements made by a journalist, Shinga has posted a link to a similarly tactless article. Describing the MMR controversy as one of &#8220;such notions that verge on the irrational&#8221; is, quite frankly, a silly and rash condemnation; surely its the most rational idea in the world that bombarding a child with three virsuses at once, however non-pathological they are deemed to be, may be too much for the infant immune system. I see nothing particularly irrational.</p>
<p>Another thing that irritated me was his assertion that; &#8220;In the homes of autistic children it is not unusual to find cabinets filled with 40 different vitamins and supplements, along with casein-free, gluten-free foods, antibiotics, and other drugs and potions.&#8221; Whilst this may be true (although what he means by &#8220;unusual&#8221; is unclear &#8211; no stats are provided, so again this is a sweeping generalisation); it is also an obvious manipulation of the controversy itself. Doctor I may not be, but it seems glaringly obvious that measles in the gut would cause serious digestion problems; and from what I understand, gluten intolerance (listed) is one of the more common. </p>
<p>Finally, in what was possibly one of the most horrifying statements I have ever read, Arthur Allen (who doesn&#8217;t appear to have a doctor in front of his name, might I add) asserts; &#8220;Blaming vaccines can promise benefits. Victory in a lawsuit is an obvious one, especially for middle-class parents struggling to care for and educate their unruly and unresponsive kids.&#8221; Disgusting. So instead of resorting to criticising his methods, or his findings themselves (or as most have recently resorted to, slinging mud at Andrew Wakefield personally, which I don&#8217;t really understand); Allen has decided to attack the unfortunate parents of seriously ill children. Or rather, the money-grabbing [edited for obscene language] using their seriously ill children to make a quick buck, as Allen would have you believe. Shinga, I&#8217;m sorry, but I was seriously offended by the link you have made here; and to be perfectly honest, I think Allen&#8217;s article is more worthy of attack by Holford than the Observer&#8217;s one.</p>
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		<title>By: The Observer eventually responds to my e-mail pointing out their basic factual errors on MMR. And tries to weasel their way out of an apology, again. &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2007/07/29/the-observer-fails-to-correct-or-retract-its-glaringly-obvious-mistakes-on-autism-for-the-third-week-running-despite-these-being-explained-to-them-in-very-very-simple-terms/comment-page-1/#comment-726</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[The Observer eventually responds to my e-mail pointing out their basic factual errors on MMR. And tries to weasel their way out of an apology, again. &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Aug 2007 00:29:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Stephen Pritchard - Readers&#8217; Editor of The Observer - about two errors in particular.  As I noted last week, The Observer states that: Critics point out that the US [Autism Omnibus] court case is not about [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Stephen Pritchard &#8211; Readers&#8217; Editor of The Observer &#8211; about two errors in particular.  As I noted last week, The Observer states that: Critics point out that the US [Autism Omnibus] court case is not about [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shinga</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Shinga]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2007 08:06:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Are you asking why people still believe that there is a link? Arthur Allen wrote a good piece for &lt;i&gt;Slate&lt;/i&gt;: &lt;a href=&quot;http://slate.com/id/2169459/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Why there&#039;s no dispelling the vaccines cause autism myth&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Are you asking why people still believe that there is a link? Arthur Allen wrote a good piece for <i>Slate</i>: <a href="http://slate.com/id/2169459/" rel="nofollow">Why there&#8217;s no dispelling the vaccines cause autism myth</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Greg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Aug 2007 20:45:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Good work team. 

What&#039;s the deal with the link between MMR and autism anyway? I remember this from last year:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0,,1799078,00.html

Which may have been spoken about somewhere along the line..]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good work team. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the deal with the link between MMR and autism anyway? I remember this from last year:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/medicine/story/0</a>,,1799078,00.html</p>
<p>Which may have been spoken about somewhere along the line..</p>
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		<title>By: &#187; Why investigating Wakefield matters - Autism Blog, Web Design Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#187; Why investigating Wakefield matters - Autism Blog, Web Design Blog]]></dc:creator>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] these people. As we have seen, recent attempts to coerce the media have resulted in humiliating climbdown after climbdown. How far can denial continue to power the majority of the new soccer-mom, middle-class powered [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] these people. As we have seen, recent attempts to coerce the media have resulted in humiliating climbdown after climbdown. How far can denial continue to power the majority of the new soccer-mom, middle-class powered [...]</p>
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		<title>By: jonhw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonhw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 31 Jul 2007 17:37:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks for the comments.

HCN- yep, to get things wrong, and to do it in so many ways, is impressive.  For a paper refuse to correct this when their mistakes are pointed out to them is just insulting.

Shinga - interesting post, thanks.  Have revised post to link to it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for the comments.</p>
<p>HCN- yep, to get things wrong, and to do it in so many ways, is impressive.  For a paper refuse to correct this when their mistakes are pointed out to them is just insulting.</p>
<p>Shinga &#8211; interesting post, thanks.  Have revised post to link to it.</p>
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