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	<title>Comments on: Christopher Scarfe &#8211; former partner in Institute for Optimum Nutrition &#8211; is nasty about cute little cats</title>
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	<description>The truth about Patrick Holford, media nutritionist</description>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2007/10/03/christopher-scarfe-former-partner-in-institute-for-optimum-nutrition-is-nasty-about-cute-little-cats/comment-page-2/#comment-19882</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 31 May 2009 09:37:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a former leading figure in ION he was probably heavily involved in the training of people who were involved in the promotion of supplements - whatever his current stance.

If you had read the item or its associated piece then you would understand the reference to the kitten.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a former leading figure in ION he was probably heavily involved in the training of people who were involved in the promotion of supplements &#8211; whatever his current stance.</p>
<p>If you had read the item or its associated piece then you would understand the reference to the kitten.</p>
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		<title>By: Dorothy Cowan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Dorothy Cowan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 30 May 2009 23:10:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually I think Christopher Scarfe the  good guy, he advocates eating good nutritious food, not popping pills for profit. I can&#039;t see what the kitten has to do with anything....but it is not a cute or pretty thing.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually I think Christopher Scarfe the  good guy, he advocates eating good nutritious food, not popping pills for profit. I can&#8217;t see what the kitten has to do with anything&#8230;.but it is not a cute or pretty thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob Carroll</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bob Carroll]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Oct 2007 02:45:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>for skeptic&#8217;s circle 73<br />
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		<title>By: LeeT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeeT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 21:11:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[UK Dietician  -  Do you of anyone describing him/herself as an &quot;RGN Nutritionist&quot;?  That certainly sounds a bit misleading. I have seen a number of website of ION diplomates who mention nursing careers.

I wonder if the Nursing and Midwifery Council has any guidelines as to how registered nurses should market their services when operating outside the NHS?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>UK Dietician  &#8211;  Do you of anyone describing him/herself as an &#8220;RGN Nutritionist&#8221;?  That certainly sounds a bit misleading. I have seen a number of website of ION diplomates who mention nursing careers.</p>
<p>I wonder if the Nursing and Midwifery Council has any guidelines as to how registered nurses should market their services when operating outside the NHS?</p>
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		<title>By: UK dietitian</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2007/10/03/christopher-scarfe-former-partner-in-institute-for-optimum-nutrition-is-nasty-about-cute-little-cats/comment-page-2/#comment-2287</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UK dietitian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 20:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are around 6-10 hours of dietetic teaching on undergraduate nursing courses, and for post-grad courses usually 2-4h per course, occasionally a bit more for community nurse courses. 

Most nurses acquire a clinical knowledge of diet from working with dietitians as part of the multidisciplinary team. Likewise, dietitians pick up lots of tips about the screening and management of patients from  the nurses expertise. I have a great respect for the knowledge and people skills of the nurses I work with, and I for one would not be capable of their &#039;hands-on&#039; profession of caring for a patient from life to death, and dealing with the stress of managing the patient and the relatives.... I salute them.

Of major concern is the graduate nurse who quickly moves out into private practice, or takes a nutritional course that supposedly builds on their clinical knowledge. I have come across several in my career, usually ION trained, who are completely oblivious that their useless - not to say harmful - advice to clients with serious health problems creates more health issues than they manage.

The major concern is that the RGN qualification affords them a degree of respectability for the client seeking nutritional guidance. That they are unconciously incompetent in the subject is a greater worry than being aware of their limitations. 

For any readers of this column, especially in the Surrey/ Sussex/ Kent area I would strongly advise checking that your &#039;RGN Nutritionist&#039; is either registered with the Nutrition Society, or the Health Professions Council. If they are &#039;registered&#039; with any other supposed &#039;Nutritional Body&#039; - stay well clear. 
Caveat emptor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are around 6-10 hours of dietetic teaching on undergraduate nursing courses, and for post-grad courses usually 2-4h per course, occasionally a bit more for community nurse courses. </p>
<p>Most nurses acquire a clinical knowledge of diet from working with dietitians as part of the multidisciplinary team. Likewise, dietitians pick up lots of tips about the screening and management of patients from  the nurses expertise. I have a great respect for the knowledge and people skills of the nurses I work with, and I for one would not be capable of their &#8216;hands-on&#8217; profession of caring for a patient from life to death, and dealing with the stress of managing the patient and the relatives&#8230;. I salute them.</p>
<p>Of major concern is the graduate nurse who quickly moves out into private practice, or takes a nutritional course that supposedly builds on their clinical knowledge. I have come across several in my career, usually ION trained, who are completely oblivious that their useless &#8211; not to say harmful &#8211; advice to clients with serious health problems creates more health issues than they manage.</p>
<p>The major concern is that the RGN qualification affords them a degree of respectability for the client seeking nutritional guidance. That they are unconciously incompetent in the subject is a greater worry than being aware of their limitations. </p>
<p>For any readers of this column, especially in the Surrey/ Sussex/ Kent area I would strongly advise checking that your &#8216;RGN Nutritionist&#8217; is either registered with the Nutrition Society, or the Health Professions Council. If they are &#8216;registered&#8217; with any other supposed &#8216;Nutritional Body&#8217; &#8211; stay well clear.<br />
Caveat emptor.</p>
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		<title>By: jonhw</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:33:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;i&gt;This is a great site, keeps me sane and makes me laugh. Thanks.&lt;/I&gt;

Thank you :)  We&#039;ll soon be launching the holfordwatch Chair in Nutrition and Mental Health, to further explore the benefits of blogging in the context of maintaining sanity ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>This is a great site, keeps me sane and makes me laugh. Thanks.</i></p>
<p>Thank you :)  We&#8217;ll soon be launching the holfordwatch Chair in Nutrition and Mental Health, to further explore the benefits of blogging in the context of maintaining sanity ;)</p>
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		<title>By: LeeT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeeT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 19:07:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My question to Bedfordshire police was rhetorical. I don&#039;t really have the courage to take on the forces of law and order!

Regarding training for nutritional therapists I think they should all be working towards a BSc level qualifications, unless they have a relevant first degree such as biochemistry or food science.

Who is Dr Culp?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My question to Bedfordshire police was rhetorical. I don&#8217;t really have the courage to take on the forces of law and order!</p>
<p>Regarding training for nutritional therapists I think they should all be working towards a BSc level qualifications, unless they have a relevant first degree such as biochemistry or food science.</p>
<p>Who is Dr Culp?</p>
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		<title>By: halfabrain</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[halfabrain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 11:42:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LeeT - Yup, I&#039;m truly trumped.

You&#039;re right to take me up on a comment that could be taken to imply that the nursing profession in general knows little about nutrition.  Certainly not what I meant to imply, and  yes, from my experience nurses spend a good deal of time updating their knowledge in nutrition relating to their practice (with training often provided by dieticians).  My main issue is with the teaching of a subject supposedly to be practised at a professional level without a formal qualification specifically in that subject.  

I&#039;m not sure there is a shortage of dietitians, but rather funding for posts .....

This is a great site, keeps me sane and makes me laugh.  Thanks.   

I hope you get a response from the Bedfordshire police ....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeeT &#8211; Yup, I&#8217;m truly trumped.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right to take me up on a comment that could be taken to imply that the nursing profession in general knows little about nutrition.  Certainly not what I meant to imply, and  yes, from my experience nurses spend a good deal of time updating their knowledge in nutrition relating to their practice (with training often provided by dieticians).  My main issue is with the teaching of a subject supposedly to be practised at a professional level without a formal qualification specifically in that subject.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;m not sure there is a shortage of dietitians, but rather funding for posts &#8230;..</p>
<p>This is a great site, keeps me sane and makes me laugh.  Thanks.   </p>
<p>I hope you get a response from the Bedfordshire police &#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeeT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 13:23:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[halfabrain - I think nurses working in general practice have to know a bit about nutrition. One of the reasons for the ASA&#039;s 2003 adjudication against Patrick Holford was that he claimed “A trainee GP spends less than 12 hours studying nutrition, compared to thousands of hours studying pharmacology” so I would not want to make the same  mistake with nurses.  Does anyone know the amount of nutritional training nurses have?  Given how few dieticians there are perhaps given them more training in nutrition might lessen the &quot;need&quot; for nutritional therapists.

Thanks for the link to the BCNH which I enjoyed reading. I particularly liked  
&quot;Following graduation at BCNH, X was invited to become a Tutor at the college&quot;. However, my favourite has be this strangely worded sentence “Apart from science-based evidence, we believe in working with the medical profession, not against them”.  Finally, could Bedfordshire police tell us why they did not use a dietician or nurse to help with their health programme?  (See http://www.bcnh.co.uk/practitioners.html)

I think I can trump you with an even crankier website: http://www.nutritionalmed.co.uk/htm/about.htm  “Self-taught and formally trained therapists can join the Register as Full Members and work up the ladder of educational courses to attain the level at which they choose to work”]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>halfabrain &#8211; I think nurses working in general practice have to know a bit about nutrition. One of the reasons for the ASA&#8217;s 2003 adjudication against Patrick Holford was that he claimed “A trainee GP spends less than 12 hours studying nutrition, compared to thousands of hours studying pharmacology” so I would not want to make the same  mistake with nurses.  Does anyone know the amount of nutritional training nurses have?  Given how few dieticians there are perhaps given them more training in nutrition might lessen the &#8220;need&#8221; for nutritional therapists.</p>
<p>Thanks for the link to the BCNH which I enjoyed reading. I particularly liked<br />
&#8220;Following graduation at BCNH, X was invited to become a Tutor at the college&#8221;. However, my favourite has be this strangely worded sentence “Apart from science-based evidence, we believe in working with the medical profession, not against them”.  Finally, could Bedfordshire police tell us why they did not use a dietician or nurse to help with their health programme?  (See <a href="http://www.bcnh.co.uk/practitioners.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bcnh.co.uk/practitioners.html</a>)</p>
<p>I think I can trump you with an even crankier website: <a href="http://www.nutritionalmed.co.uk/htm/about.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.nutritionalmed.co.uk/htm/about.htm</a>  “Self-taught and formally trained therapists can join the Register as Full Members and work up the ladder of educational courses to attain the level at which they choose to work”</p>
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		<title>By: halfabrain</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[halfabrain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 11:49:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[LeeT - I&#039;m a humble follower of the dietetic way.  Raworth looks pretty scary, but they all do to me (seems to be run by teachers and nurses but no-one with any real training in nutrition as usual).  Makes some pretty steep claims concerning involvement in education, government and industry.  Looks as if the best thing to do with your Dip. ION is to set up a college and teach!  Dip. Red Hot.... just Dippy.

Check this one out:

 www.bcnh.co.uk/about/about1_2.html 

does the name Dr Culp ring any bells?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>LeeT &#8211; I&#8217;m a humble follower of the dietetic way.  Raworth looks pretty scary, but they all do to me (seems to be run by teachers and nurses but no-one with any real training in nutrition as usual).  Makes some pretty steep claims concerning involvement in education, government and industry.  Looks as if the best thing to do with your Dip. ION is to set up a college and teach!  Dip. Red Hot&#8230;. just Dippy.</p>
<p>Check this one out:</p>
<p> <a href="http://www.bcnh.co.uk/about/about1_2.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.bcnh.co.uk/about/about1_2.html</a> </p>
<p>does the name Dr Culp ring any bells?</p>
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