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	<title>Comments on: Dore research paper shows that Dore is not useful for a substantial proportion of (potential) clients</title>
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	<description>The truth about Patrick Holford, media nutritionist</description>
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		<title>By: More Dore: &#8220;The dyslexic brain is like a colander&#8230;We are training the cerebellum to become a bucket&#8221; &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[More Dore: &#8220;The dyslexic brain is like a colander&#8230;We are training the cerebellum to become a bucket&#8221; &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Dec 2007 23:51:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] ably fisked by Brainduck (and which, if you believe the research is good quality - I don&#8217;t - shows that Dore is not useful for a substantial proportion of (potential) clients) has now been removed [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] ably fisked by Brainduck (and which, if you believe the research is good quality &#8211; I don&#8217;t &#8211; shows that Dore is not useful for a substantial proportion of (potential) clients) has now been removed [...]</p>
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		<title>By: &#8220;Mind, Body, Wallet&#8221; Festival &#171; Podblack Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[&#8220;Mind, Body, Wallet&#8221; Festival &#171; Podblack Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Nov 2007 18:41:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Science gave me my first introduction to this group and Holford Watch (citing the blog Brain Duck,which looked at DORE) give some useful links to their papers [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Science gave me my first introduction to this group and Holford Watch (citing the blog Brain Duck,which looked at DORE) give some useful links to their papers [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 14:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The really big problem with the paper, apart from the lack of controls,  is that it does not look at real-world outcomes anywhere. This is a bit trickier than using your own lab-based tests, but essential if you want to prove that your approach is worth taking.

They haven&#039;t looked at anything like how the children are doing in school, and they haven&#039;t followed them up after the end of treatment to see if any gains are maintained.

It&#039;s a bit like me telling you that I have an amazing magic potion to make your vegetable patch grow twice as fast. To believe me, you would want to wait a few months &amp; see how big the vegetables were, not just agree when I said &#039;look, the soil is much darker, they will grow better now&#039;.

Even if the rest of the study had been well carried out with an appropriate control group, this would still not provide a definitive answer. As it is then they&#039;ve designed a study of nearly 1000 children so badly that it can&#039;t actually show anything useful. That takes a special kind of genius.

If DORE works, they are stopping useful treatment getting to children by wasting time on shoddy research. If it doesn&#039;t work, then hiding poor results behind shoddy study design is cynical at best. Either way, this is one to get angry about. They&#039;ve got a duty to their participants, the research community, and the public, to do better than this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The really big problem with the paper, apart from the lack of controls,  is that it does not look at real-world outcomes anywhere. This is a bit trickier than using your own lab-based tests, but essential if you want to prove that your approach is worth taking.</p>
<p>They haven&#8217;t looked at anything like how the children are doing in school, and they haven&#8217;t followed them up after the end of treatment to see if any gains are maintained.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bit like me telling you that I have an amazing magic potion to make your vegetable patch grow twice as fast. To believe me, you would want to wait a few months &amp; see how big the vegetables were, not just agree when I said &#8216;look, the soil is much darker, they will grow better now&#8217;.</p>
<p>Even if the rest of the study had been well carried out with an appropriate control group, this would still not provide a definitive answer. As it is then they&#8217;ve designed a study of nearly 1000 children so badly that it can&#8217;t actually show anything useful. That takes a special kind of genius.</p>
<p>If DORE works, they are stopping useful treatment getting to children by wasting time on shoddy research. If it doesn&#8217;t work, then hiding poor results behind shoddy study design is cynical at best. Either way, this is one to get angry about. They&#8217;ve got a duty to their participants, the research community, and the public, to do better than this.</p>
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		<title>By: Duck</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2007/11/23/dore-research-paper-shows-that-dore-is-not-useful-for-a-substantial-proportion-of-potential-clients/comment-page-1/#comment-4032</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Duck]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 23 Nov 2007 11:30:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thank you :)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you :)</p>
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