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	<title>Comments on: Patrick Holford and His Alternative to Anti-Depressants</title>
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		<title>By: Serotonin Pills in the Media &#171; Stuff And Nonsense</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] rather familiar. It was &#8211; Holford Watch have covered PH&#8217;s views on anti-depressants here. While you&#8217;re there, you may want to read more details of Patrick&#8217;s views &#8211; [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] rather familiar. It was &#8211; Holford Watch have covered PH&#8217;s views on anti-depressants here. While you&#8217;re there, you may want to read more details of Patrick&#8217;s views &#8211; [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LeeT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeeT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Mar 2008 22:30:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DrA, DVN and others,

Please read this very touching story about a misunderstood, forgotten and poverty-stricken author. Anyone who wants to help can send a cheque made payable to LeeT.  He will, of course, forward them on:-

http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0303critic/030330.martin.walker.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DrA, DVN and others,</p>
<p>Please read this very touching story about a misunderstood, forgotten and poverty-stricken author. Anyone who wants to help can send a cheque made payable to LeeT.  He will, of course, forward them on:-</p>
<p><a href="http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0303critic/030330.martin.walker.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.soilandhealth.org/03sov/0303critic/030330.martin.walker.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: detoxer</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/02/28/patrick-holford-and-his-alternative-to-anti-depressants/comment-page-1/#comment-8665</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[detoxer]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 06 Mar 2008 04:02:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patrick, some good info that you provided.  As the director of Novus Medical Detox we see many people addicted to alcohol and/or opioids, CNS, who are put on antidepressants because they are depressed.  Generally, when they come off the alcohol/opioids, then they can stop taking the antidepressants because they don&#039;t need them.  Frankly, because of the studies that show they work no better than placebos and the side effects and the fact that there is no scientific test to determine if someone meeds seratonin. There is also the study of female suicides in Sweden in 2006 which showed that 52% were on antidepressants.  Coupled  with the fact that almost all of the school shooters were on antidepressants, we have a terribly dangerous set of drugs.

Steve Hayes
http://novusdetox.com]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick, some good info that you provided.  As the director of Novus Medical Detox we see many people addicted to alcohol and/or opioids, CNS, who are put on antidepressants because they are depressed.  Generally, when they come off the alcohol/opioids, then they can stop taking the antidepressants because they don&#8217;t need them.  Frankly, because of the studies that show they work no better than placebos and the side effects and the fact that there is no scientific test to determine if someone meeds seratonin. There is also the study of female suicides in Sweden in 2006 which showed that 52% were on antidepressants.  Coupled  with the fact that almost all of the school shooters were on antidepressants, we have a terribly dangerous set of drugs.</p>
<p>Steve Hayes<br />
<a href="http://novusdetox.com" rel="nofollow">http://novusdetox.com</a></p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 23:11:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did the legions at the battle of Teutoberg Forest die in vain? No, surely they died to defend the right of later Europeans to take mega-doses of supplements.

Augustus might have called upon Quintilius Varus to give back his dead legions but they died happy in the knowledge that they were making a civilization, fit for later generations to market supplements.

It is a little-known fact that the Tolpuddle Martyrs were, in fact, the Turmeric Martyrs. Simple, honest working folk, rioting for the right to have natural anti-inflammatories to soothe their aching joints.

Speaking of people of shining goodness, you may be thrilled to read this, Lee - &lt;a href=&quot;http://glowing-health.com/poisons/nutrition-critics.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Answering the Nutrition Critics&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;blockquote&gt;Somebody once told me that &#039;expecting people to treat you well just because you are a good person is like expecting the bull not to charge just because you are a vegetarian&#039;. I guess Jerome Burne&#039;s and my book Food is Better Medicine Than Drugs - not one single fact in which has yet been disputed - is a red rag to the pro-drug bull. Ridicule and attack are to be expected in the dying throes of the old pharmaceutical model of treating disease, as it inevitably makes way for a more holistic approach with optimum nutrition at its core. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Chastened. No - that doesn&#039;t begin to describe my response. I could be wrong, but I&#039;m prepared to think that this blog contains a number of rebuttals of some of his &#039;facts&#039;. ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did the legions at the battle of Teutoberg Forest die in vain? No, surely they died to defend the right of later Europeans to take mega-doses of supplements.</p>
<p>Augustus might have called upon Quintilius Varus to give back his dead legions but they died happy in the knowledge that they were making a civilization, fit for later generations to market supplements.</p>
<p>It is a little-known fact that the Tolpuddle Martyrs were, in fact, the Turmeric Martyrs. Simple, honest working folk, rioting for the right to have natural anti-inflammatories to soothe their aching joints.</p>
<p>Speaking of people of shining goodness, you may be thrilled to read this, Lee &#8211; <a href="http://glowing-health.com/poisons/nutrition-critics.html" rel="nofollow">Answering the Nutrition Critics</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>Somebody once told me that &#8216;expecting people to treat you well just because you are a good person is like expecting the bull not to charge just because you are a vegetarian&#8217;. I guess Jerome Burne&#8217;s and my book Food is Better Medicine Than Drugs &#8211; not one single fact in which has yet been disputed &#8211; is a red rag to the pro-drug bull. Ridicule and attack are to be expected in the dying throes of the old pharmaceutical model of treating disease, as it inevitably makes way for a more holistic approach with optimum nutrition at its core.
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<p>Chastened. No &#8211; that doesn&#8217;t begin to describe my response. I could be wrong, but I&#8217;m prepared to think that this blog contains a number of rebuttals of some of his &#8216;facts&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeeT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 22:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win&quot;

Oh dear, I am annoyed again now. Who are thinking of with that quotation?  Galileo is sometimes referred to.  Wasn&#039;t he placed under house arrest?  When was Mr Holford placed under house arrest?

Gandhi?  Galileo?  I suppose the suffragettes will be the next group in history to be co-opted in to the struggle:  

&quot;The Pankhurst&#039;s fought for what they believed. It is just the same with my supplement programme. It took decades of struggle for women to win the vote just as it has taken three decades for orthomolecular medicine to gain acceptance by ... umm ... the ION and a distinguished panel of distinguished scientists. (Their identities have to remain secret due to the risk that Holford Watch will laugh at, fight at and win at them.)&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win&#8221;</p>
<p>Oh dear, I am annoyed again now. Who are thinking of with that quotation?  Galileo is sometimes referred to.  Wasn&#8217;t he placed under house arrest?  When was Mr Holford placed under house arrest?</p>
<p>Gandhi?  Galileo?  I suppose the suffragettes will be the next group in history to be co-opted in to the struggle:  </p>
<p>&#8220;The Pankhurst&#8217;s fought for what they believed. It is just the same with my supplement programme. It took decades of struggle for women to win the vote just as it has taken three decades for orthomolecular medicine to gain acceptance by &#8230; umm &#8230; the ION and a distinguished panel of distinguished scientists. (Their identities have to remain secret due to the risk that Holford Watch will laugh at, fight at and win at them.)&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/02/28/patrick-holford-and-his-alternative-to-anti-depressants/comment-page-1/#comment-8575</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
Also, Bozo the clown, talking about his twice daily tussles with other clowns in the clown car with buckets of water and confetti.

Shall be interested in the response to your email.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win.
</p></blockquote>
<p>Also, Bozo the clown, talking about his twice daily tussles with other clowns in the clown car with buckets of water and confetti.</p>
<p>Shall be interested in the response to your email.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeT</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/02/28/patrick-holford-and-his-alternative-to-anti-depressants/comment-page-1/#comment-8572</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeeT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 21:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Has anyone else noticed this quotation on Holford Myths.com?

&quot;First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Gandhi &quot;

It appears Mr H is comparing himself with the Mahatma. Quite ironic really given the spot of bother Gandhi had with the South African government in the early part of the 20th century. In contrast when Mr Holford visited South Africa 100 years later his ideas were in tune with some of the crankier beliefs of the country&#039;s current health minister.

The rather calm, non-violent approach of Gandhi seems rather different to that of Martin Walker and Mr Holford.

Have just emailed Mr W to ask if any criticism of the so-called AltMed movement is justified.

Grrrr. Must take a lie down .....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone else noticed this quotation on Holford Myths.com?</p>
<p>&#8220;First they ignore you, then they laugh at you, then they fight you, then you win. Mahatma Gandhi &#8221;</p>
<p>It appears Mr H is comparing himself with the Mahatma. Quite ironic really given the spot of bother Gandhi had with the South African government in the early part of the 20th century. In contrast when Mr Holford visited South Africa 100 years later his ideas were in tune with some of the crankier beliefs of the country&#8217;s current health minister.</p>
<p>The rather calm, non-violent approach of Gandhi seems rather different to that of Martin Walker and Mr Holford.</p>
<p>Have just emailed Mr W to ask if any criticism of the so-called AltMed movement is justified.</p>
<p>Grrrr. Must take a lie down &#8230;..</p>
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		<title>By: draust</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[draust]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 20:12:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, one of the people referred to in Walker&#039;s book once described it to me  as &quot;unhinged but still unpleasant&quot;.  I have read all of it,  a long and tedious task. The hate-filled bile and tenuous conspiracy fantasies it contains reminded me eerily of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_St%C3%BCrmer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&quot;Der Stuermer&quot;., or of the ravings of the madder bits of the Animal Rights movement&lt;/a&gt;.

To my mind, the mere fact that Patrick is happy to quote it approvingly (as is the  laughable Sue Young Homeopathy site) shows just where the nominally &quot;respectable&quot; end of the Alt Health l0bby really stand when the gloves are off. With friends  like Walker,  one might think that Patrick  hardly needs enemies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, one of the people referred to in Walker&#8217;s book once described it to me  as &#8220;unhinged but still unpleasant&#8221;.  I have read all of it,  a long and tedious task. The hate-filled bile and tenuous conspiracy fantasies it contains reminded me eerily of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Der_St%C3%BCrmer" rel="nofollow">&#8220;Der Stuermer&#8221;., or of the ravings of the madder bits of the Animal Rights movement</a>.</p>
<p>To my mind, the mere fact that Patrick is happy to quote it approvingly (as is the  laughable Sue Young Homeopathy site) shows just where the nominally &#8220;respectable&#8221; end of the Alt Health l0bby really stand when the gloves are off. With friends  like Walker,  one might think that Patrick  hardly needs enemies.</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 19:09:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr Aust, LeeT - regarding the invective, we are so glad that we live in the UK where most people&#039;s reaction to Holford and Walker would be, &quot;That&#039;s a bit OTT. Could they not all sit down together and realise that there is more that they agree on than otherwise&quot;. One must be grateful, of course, for the power of Holford&#039;s &lt;i&gt;chill food&lt;/i&gt; and other mind-altering formulations  etc. that must temper the greater excesses of emotion to which other people might be prey. *cough*]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Aust, LeeT &#8211; regarding the invective, we are so glad that we live in the UK where most people&#8217;s reaction to Holford and Walker would be, &#8220;That&#8217;s a bit OTT. Could they not all sit down together and realise that there is more that they agree on than otherwise&#8221;. One must be grateful, of course, for the power of Holford&#8217;s <i>chill food</i> and other mind-altering formulations  etc. that must temper the greater excesses of emotion to which other people might be prey. *cough*</p>
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		<title>By: LeeT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeeT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 02 Mar 2008 17:26:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[draust

I recently gave a talk on bad science to a small group. One of the audience, a supporter of Mr Holford, came up to me afterwards and suggested I read Martin Walker who supposedly demolishes PH and his critics.  When I looked at MW for the first time last month it struck me that he did not really know much about Ben Goldacre. Very poor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>draust</p>
<p>I recently gave a talk on bad science to a small group. One of the audience, a supporter of Mr Holford, came up to me afterwards and suggested I read Martin Walker who supposedly demolishes PH and his critics.  When I looked at MW for the first time last month it struck me that he did not really know much about Ben Goldacre. Very poor.</p>
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