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	<title>Comments on: BANT and Conflict of Interest: YorkTest and Similar Commission</title>
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	<description>The truth about Patrick Holford, media nutritionist</description>
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		<title>By: Patrick Holford and Other GMTV Pundits Should Be Glad That They Don&#8217;t Work for German TV &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Holford and Other GMTV Pundits Should Be Glad That They Don&#8217;t Work for German TV &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jul 2008 16:15:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] repeatedly seemed to breach BANT&#8217;s own ethics code, a code that is already notoriously pliable in some matters, such as commission. [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] repeatedly seemed to breach BANT&#8217;s own ethics code, a code that is already notoriously pliable in some matters, such as commission. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: My (Paid) Friend Says This Product Is Really Good: FFTB and Cherry-Picking &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[My (Paid) Friend Says This Product Is Really Good: FFTB and Cherry-Picking &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 02 May 2008 19:08:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] therapists receive training that endorses the use of IgG tests for determining food intolerance. They recommend these tests to their clients and may receive commission for them. When the test comes back with some +ve results, the nutritionist may have an opportunity to offer [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] therapists receive training that endorses the use of IgG tests for determining food intolerance. They recommend these tests to their clients and may receive commission for them. When the test comes back with some +ve results, the nutritionist may have an opportunity to offer [...]</p>
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		<title>By: LeeT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeeT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:00:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am currently trying to make a claim on my health insurance. It is becoming clear they really don&#039;t like paying out for things unless they really have to!  It is quite unlikely that an insurer would pay for supplements and the vast majority of people referred to private consultants would be coming from insurance plans like BUPA and Standard Life.

Possibly some consultants are recommending supplements to earn themselves a little bit extra?   They will presumably be paid a fixed daily rate by their  hospital or the insurer for their work.  I would not imagine a consultant can pass on the discount to his/her patients as only a very tiny proportion of them will be visiting him/her on a pay-as-you-go basis.

The glossary of Standard Life&#039;s policy defines a homeopath which rather makes me think they are not concerned about the evidence base of treatment being offered.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am currently trying to make a claim on my health insurance. It is becoming clear they really don&#8217;t like paying out for things unless they really have to!  It is quite unlikely that an insurer would pay for supplements and the vast majority of people referred to private consultants would be coming from insurance plans like BUPA and Standard Life.</p>
<p>Possibly some consultants are recommending supplements to earn themselves a little bit extra?   They will presumably be paid a fixed daily rate by their  hospital or the insurer for their work.  I would not imagine a consultant can pass on the discount to his/her patients as only a very tiny proportion of them will be visiting him/her on a pay-as-you-go basis.</p>
<p>The glossary of Standard Life&#8217;s policy defines a homeopath which rather makes me think they are not concerned about the evidence base of treatment being offered.</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/04/21/bant-and-conflict-of-interest-yorktest-and-similar-commission/comment-page-1/#comment-9380</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Professor UK dietitian, how very interesting. If she doesn&#039;t take the commission, I wonder if she passes on the discount to her clients/patients? Given that an extensive supplement packages can work out at £400+ per month, a discount might be very helpful.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Professor UK dietitian, how very interesting. If she doesn&#8217;t take the commission, I wonder if she passes on the discount to her clients/patients? Given that an extensive supplement packages can work out at £400+ per month, a discount might be very helpful.</p>
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		<title>By: UK dietitian</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/04/21/bant-and-conflict-of-interest-yorktest-and-similar-commission/comment-page-1/#comment-9379</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UK dietitian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:39:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well, I can tell you of a London based gastroenterologist who recommends the Biocare (TM) range of supplements to her private patients. Have no idea whether she takes kickbacks for doing so....]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well, I can tell you of a London based gastroenterologist who recommends the Biocare (TM) range of supplements to her private patients. Have no idea whether she takes kickbacks for doing so&#8230;.</p>
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		<title>By: bengoldacre</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bengoldacre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:12:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[haha yeah yeah YEAH. 

seriously though, i&#039;ve been thinking, and i can&#039;t even think of a consultant i&#039;ve worked for who does private work. i have literally nobody to ask about this, except relative strangers who will regard me with total suspicion (and that&#039;ll be fun). this will all change when the NHS is dismantled over the next ten years of course.

if there are any doctors who do private work reading this can you ping me an email? ben@badscience.net, off the record etc. i&#039;d really like to know what the deal is with docs getting kickbacks from labs and pill companies.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>haha yeah yeah YEAH. </p>
<p>seriously though, i&#8217;ve been thinking, and i can&#8217;t even think of a consultant i&#8217;ve worked for who does private work. i have literally nobody to ask about this, except relative strangers who will regard me with total suspicion (and that&#8217;ll be fun). this will all change when the NHS is dismantled over the next ten years of course.</p>
<p>if there are any doctors who do private work reading this can you ping me an email? <a href="mailto:ben@badscience.net">ben@badscience.net</a>, off the record etc. i&#8217;d really like to know what the deal is with docs getting kickbacks from labs and pill companies.</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 23:00:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Like &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lit/humor/ThreeMeninaBoat/chap2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Montmorency&lt;/a&gt; (chapter 2), you are obviously too good and pure for this world.
&lt;blockquote&gt;To look at Montmorency you would imagine that he was an angel sent upon the earth, for some reason withheld from mankind, in the shape of a small fox-terrier. There is a sort of Oh-what-a-wicked-world-this-is-and-how-I-wish-I-could-do-something-to-make-it-better-and-nobler expression about Montmorency that has been known to bring the tears into the eyes of pious old ladies and gentlemen. 

When first he came to live at my expense, I never thought I should be able to get him to stop long. I used to sit down and look at him, as he sat on the rug and looked up at me, and think: &quot;Oh, that dog will never live. He will be snatched up to the bright skies in a chariot, that is what will happen to him.&quot; 

But, when I had paid for about a dozen chickens that he had killed; and had dragged him, growling and kicking, by the scruff of his neck, out of a hundred and fourteen street fights...then I began to think that maybe they&#039;d let him remain on earth for a bit longer, after all.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
To be fair - I&#039;ve no idea what the usual emoluments would be, given that these blood  tests aren&#039;t available in bricks and mortar stores near you, so they have to recruit an independent, commission-dependent, sales team.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like <a href="http://www.worldwideschool.org/library/books/lit/humor/ThreeMeninaBoat/chap2.html" rel="nofollow">Montmorency</a> (chapter 2), you are obviously too good and pure for this world.</p>
<blockquote><p>To look at Montmorency you would imagine that he was an angel sent upon the earth, for some reason withheld from mankind, in the shape of a small fox-terrier. There is a sort of Oh-what-a-wicked-world-this-is-and-how-I-wish-I-could-do-something-to-make-it-better-and-nobler expression about Montmorency that has been known to bring the tears into the eyes of pious old ladies and gentlemen. </p>
<p>When first he came to live at my expense, I never thought I should be able to get him to stop long. I used to sit down and look at him, as he sat on the rug and looked up at me, and think: &#8220;Oh, that dog will never live. He will be snatched up to the bright skies in a chariot, that is what will happen to him.&#8221; </p>
<p>But, when I had paid for about a dozen chickens that he had killed; and had dragged him, growling and kicking, by the scruff of his neck, out of a hundred and fourteen street fights&#8230;then I began to think that maybe they&#8217;d let him remain on earth for a bit longer, after all.
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<p>To be fair &#8211; I&#8217;ve no idea what the usual emoluments would be, given that these blood  tests aren&#8217;t available in bricks and mortar stores near you, so they have to recruit an independent, commission-dependent, sales team.</p>
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		<title>By: bengoldacre</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[bengoldacre]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 22:46:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it really is all very seedy and money oriented isnt it. an affiliate program for blood tests!

being an nhs-only boy i don&#039;t know enough about private medicine to know if this would happen with medical doctors. anyone? or i can ask around. although thinking about it - and this is probably only age - i don&#039;t think i have a single friend who does any private work. i really am quite evidently a total loser.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it really is all very seedy and money oriented isnt it. an affiliate program for blood tests!</p>
<p>being an nhs-only boy i don&#8217;t know enough about private medicine to know if this would happen with medical doctors. anyone? or i can ask around. although thinking about it &#8211; and this is probably only age &#8211; i don&#8217;t think i have a single friend who does any private work. i really am quite evidently a total loser.</p>
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		<title>By: gimpy</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[gimpy]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 22 Apr 2008 07:42:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s fascinating how the role of organisations like BANT seems to be to maximise the profit making potential of the business side of the  business/customer relationship.  It does seem to indicate that the supplements market is a cosy little world where unprincipled salespeople fleece the public while loudly projecting their own unethical behaviour on to businesses that they see as their competitors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s fascinating how the role of organisations like BANT seems to be to maximise the profit making potential of the business side of the  business/customer relationship.  It does seem to indicate that the supplements market is a cosy little world where unprincipled salespeople fleece the public while loudly projecting their own unethical behaviour on to businesses that they see as their competitors.</p>
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