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		<title>By: PaleoPhil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PaleoPhil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Sep 2010 21:46:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Actually, there have been clinical trials of Paleo-type diets that the authors of this blog have ignored and that are superior to the sole study they reviewed. They are discussed here by the brilliant Stephen Guyenet:

&quot;Paleolithic Diet Clinical Trials (parts 1-4),&quot; Stephen Guyenet, PhD, October 4, 2008, http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/10/paleolithic-diet-clinical-trials.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, there have been clinical trials of Paleo-type diets that the authors of this blog have ignored and that are superior to the sole study they reviewed. They are discussed here by the brilliant Stephen Guyenet:</p>
<p>&#8220;Paleolithic Diet Clinical Trials (parts 1-4),&#8221; Stephen Guyenet, PhD, October 4, 2008, <a href="http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/10/paleolithic-diet-clinical-trials.html" rel="nofollow">http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2008/10/paleolithic-diet-clinical-trials.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Allan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Sep 2010 12:16:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s sad that this diet doesn&#039;t catch on. Paleo diet has worked wonders for me. I eat only  fruit, veggies, and fish. Plus, 1000IU vitamin D a day, and a calcium supplement. Nothing fancy. My energy levels are permanently +50% and my mental health is always superb now. It&#039;s a BIG DEAL. Why wait for a clinical trial? For those of us who have successfully switched to paleo, it becomes pretty obvious pretty quickly that mainstream nutrition advice is quacked. Try it on your own! It&#039;s so safe and it&#039;s all available at the grocery store!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s sad that this diet doesn&#8217;t catch on. Paleo diet has worked wonders for me. I eat only  fruit, veggies, and fish. Plus, 1000IU vitamin D a day, and a calcium supplement. Nothing fancy. My energy levels are permanently +50% and my mental health is always superb now. It&#8217;s a BIG DEAL. Why wait for a clinical trial? For those of us who have successfully switched to paleo, it becomes pretty obvious pretty quickly that mainstream nutrition advice is quacked. Try it on your own! It&#8217;s so safe and it&#8217;s all available at the grocery store!</p>
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		<title>By: PaleoPhil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PaleoPhil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 31 Jul 2010 00:32:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Johnw wrote: &quot;but if there’s not good evidence they’re harming me, why should I?” 

Johnw later wrote: &quot;Of course absence of evidence isn&#039;t evidence of absence.&quot;

Glad we have that established. So we therefore cannot rule out the possibility that a Paleo-type diet might be beneficial, even extraordinarily beneficial based solely on the idea that there&#039;s no &quot;good evidence&quot; that modern foods are harming people, or you specifically. We can also consider your assumption about a beneficial anecdote being due to a &quot;placebo effect&quot; as unsupported rhetoric, based on the same above logical fallacy. The anecdote doesn&#039;t prove anything, but neither can we just assume it to be due to a &quot;placebo effect&quot; or any other presumed effect. 

Re: whether there&#039;s &quot;good evidence&quot; that modern foods are harming you--are you referring to scientific studies and people in general here or are you limiting it to your personal experience? What, if anything, would you consider as evidence that modern foods might be harming people or you? Is there any &quot;good evidence&quot; that trying a Paleo diet for a week would harm someone/you? Have you ever tried a Paleo approach for any length of time?

You are already in tune with one aspect of Paleolithic nutrition here: &quot;eating some oily fish is probably good for you....&quot; Perhaps there are other aspects of Paleo nutrition that you would also deem reasonable, if you investigated it? 

Johnw wrote: &quot;I&#039;m not even sure why people would eat modern farm animals? They seem to differ considerably from the meat which would have been available in Paleo times.&quot;

Experts in the field actually argue that modern farm animals are generally less nutritious to eat than wild animals of the Stone Age were, so this seems to be yet another area where you agree with Paleo nutrition theory. You&#039;re beginning to come across as a promoter of Paleo nutrition yourself. ;)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Johnw wrote: &#8220;but if there’s not good evidence they’re harming me, why should I?” </p>
<p>Johnw later wrote: &#8220;Of course absence of evidence isn&#8217;t evidence of absence.&#8221;</p>
<p>Glad we have that established. So we therefore cannot rule out the possibility that a Paleo-type diet might be beneficial, even extraordinarily beneficial based solely on the idea that there&#8217;s no &#8220;good evidence&#8221; that modern foods are harming people, or you specifically. We can also consider your assumption about a beneficial anecdote being due to a &#8220;placebo effect&#8221; as unsupported rhetoric, based on the same above logical fallacy. The anecdote doesn&#8217;t prove anything, but neither can we just assume it to be due to a &#8220;placebo effect&#8221; or any other presumed effect. </p>
<p>Re: whether there&#8217;s &#8220;good evidence&#8221; that modern foods are harming you&#8211;are you referring to scientific studies and people in general here or are you limiting it to your personal experience? What, if anything, would you consider as evidence that modern foods might be harming people or you? Is there any &#8220;good evidence&#8221; that trying a Paleo diet for a week would harm someone/you? Have you ever tried a Paleo approach for any length of time?</p>
<p>You are already in tune with one aspect of Paleolithic nutrition here: &#8220;eating some oily fish is probably good for you&#8230;.&#8221; Perhaps there are other aspects of Paleo nutrition that you would also deem reasonable, if you investigated it? </p>
<p>Johnw wrote: &#8220;I&#8217;m not even sure why people would eat modern farm animals? They seem to differ considerably from the meat which would have been available in Paleo times.&#8221;</p>
<p>Experts in the field actually argue that modern farm animals are generally less nutritious to eat than wild animals of the Stone Age were, so this seems to be yet another area where you agree with Paleo nutrition theory. You&#8217;re beginning to come across as a promoter of Paleo nutrition yourself. ;)</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antonio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yep they may seem to differ but see if you feed them feed and corn, give them hormones
and let them stand in their own dung because
it&#039;s too costly to carry the faeces away from them man I tell you they differ a whole lot more. If you let the cows eat what they eat naturally, grass man you must taste the milk
then it&#039;s awesome. No offence but some of the 
paleo animals a bit hard to find today maybe?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yep they may seem to differ but see if you feed them feed and corn, give them hormones<br />
and let them stand in their own dung because<br />
it&#8217;s too costly to carry the faeces away from them man I tell you they differ a whole lot more. If you let the cows eat what they eat naturally, grass man you must taste the milk<br />
then it&#8217;s awesome. No offence but some of the<br />
paleo animals a bit hard to find today maybe?</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antonio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:21:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you want to know not just about the paleo diet
or rather way of life but with much more of the needed extra info on for example carb, protein
and mixed type people (you need to know this as well for optimum energy results etc) and what foods to avoid such as processed, soy products ,
corn syrup and the likes and a thorough explanation of all you could ask or doubt do yourself a favour, (it&#039;s my advice) and buy Mike Geary&#039;s Fat Burning Kitchen or Isabel De Los Rios ebooks. It will change the way you see food forever. I am not marketing for them I just bought
the books and so far have lost 12kg I feel better
fitter and my aches and pains of joints etc are gone. Read and find out why.
Ciao]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you want to know not just about the paleo diet<br />
or rather way of life but with much more of the needed extra info on for example carb, protein<br />
and mixed type people (you need to know this as well for optimum energy results etc) and what foods to avoid such as processed, soy products ,<br />
corn syrup and the likes and a thorough explanation of all you could ask or doubt do yourself a favour, (it&#8217;s my advice) and buy Mike Geary&#8217;s Fat Burning Kitchen or Isabel De Los Rios ebooks. It will change the way you see food forever. I am not marketing for them I just bought<br />
the books and so far have lost 12kg I feel better<br />
fitter and my aches and pains of joints etc are gone. Read and find out why.<br />
Ciao</p>
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		<title>By: Antonio</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Antonio]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jul 2010 22:11:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi there, nope The paleo diet does not
restrict you from milk if you take all this a bit further.
See all the bad things about milk are from
pasteurized and homogenized milk.
For you to derive from it&#039;s benefits it&#039;s
got to be raw milk. What&#039;s that I hear, Salmonella? Take a look at the cases of salmonella poisining cases and you will find they were from pasteurized milk.
Pasteurization was used when hygiene problems gave us no options when we had plagues etc. But what it does is alter the molecular structure of milk so your body doesn&#039;t know what to do with it anymore
it looses the enzymes that break down lactose as well as good bacteria und thus 
ze diarea from the rear.
The raw milk contains Lauric acid as does
raw butter and it fights cancer amongst other things. But don&#039;t listen to silly old
me do yourself a favour and get yourself 
as I did Mike Geary&#039;s Fat Burning Kitchen
ebook or that of Isabel De Los Rios.
I am not marketing their books I bought
these books and it changed my weight,
fitness and outlook on food and nutrition.
It will give you a brand new outlook and change your life as it did for me.
Just my view thought I would share some of it with the people out there.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi there, nope The paleo diet does not<br />
restrict you from milk if you take all this a bit further.<br />
See all the bad things about milk are from<br />
pasteurized and homogenized milk.<br />
For you to derive from it&#8217;s benefits it&#8217;s<br />
got to be raw milk. What&#8217;s that I hear, Salmonella? Take a look at the cases of salmonella poisining cases and you will find they were from pasteurized milk.<br />
Pasteurization was used when hygiene problems gave us no options when we had plagues etc. But what it does is alter the molecular structure of milk so your body doesn&#8217;t know what to do with it anymore<br />
it looses the enzymes that break down lactose as well as good bacteria und thus<br />
ze diarea from the rear.<br />
The raw milk contains Lauric acid as does<br />
raw butter and it fights cancer amongst other things. But don&#8217;t listen to silly old<br />
me do yourself a favour and get yourself<br />
as I did Mike Geary&#8217;s Fat Burning Kitchen<br />
ebook or that of Isabel De Los Rios.<br />
I am not marketing their books I bought<br />
these books and it changed my weight,<br />
fitness and outlook on food and nutrition.<br />
It will give you a brand new outlook and change your life as it did for me.<br />
Just my view thought I would share some of it with the people out there.</p>
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		<title>By: jonhw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonhw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jul 2010 22:06:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course absence of evidence isn&#039;t evidence of absence.  However, it makes more sense to prioritise lifestyle changes where there is good evidence to support them: e.g. it&#039;s very likely better not to smoke tobacco, eating some oily fish is probably good for you, etc.

The Paleo diet doesn&#039;t even seem that compelling theoretically, putting aside the relatively limited empirical evidence.  If the idea is to get close to what was eaten in Paleo times, I&#039;m not even sure why people would eat modern farm animals?  They seem to differ considerably from the meat which would have been available in Paleo times.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course absence of evidence isn&#8217;t evidence of absence.  However, it makes more sense to prioritise lifestyle changes where there is good evidence to support them: e.g. it&#8217;s very likely better not to smoke tobacco, eating some oily fish is probably good for you, etc.</p>
<p>The Paleo diet doesn&#8217;t even seem that compelling theoretically, putting aside the relatively limited empirical evidence.  If the idea is to get close to what was eaten in Paleo times, I&#8217;m not even sure why people would eat modern farm animals?  They seem to differ considerably from the meat which would have been available in Paleo times.</p>
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		<title>By: PaleoPhil</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[PaleoPhil]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 25 Jul 2010 18:55:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jonhw wrote on January 27, 2010 at 12:26 am: &quot;there are lots of things I enjoy that I could perfectly safely stop eating or doing – but if there’s not good evidence they’re harming me, why should I?&quot;

As Carl Sagan famously pointed out in The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark (p. 213), &quot;absence of evidence is not evidence of absence&quot; (see also http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance). Besides, there is no shortage of evidence that Neolithic foods like processed sugars, grains and legumes can cause harm in humans and lead to what Dr. Stanislas Tanchou termed the &quot;diseases of civilization&quot; way back in 1843. Quite the contrary, there is now a mountain of evidence that can no longer be ignored and is sparking a scientific revolution. The evidence has inspired a new field of scientific inquiry called Paleolithic (or evolutionary) nutrition and has greatly developed the field of evolutionary medicine.

Plus, most people who try a Paleolithic-type diet DO have illnesses that have dietary links as evidenced by countless studies and observations of hunter-gatherer peoples. People who believe they are in optimal health are less likely to vary from the Standard American Diet because they have less reason to do so. However, I have seen even such people report that they tried a Paleo approach to improve their sports performance or give them added energy and they reported that some aspects of their health and functioning that they thought were &quot;normal&quot; improved. More and more scientists now no longer regard the average health parameters of Americans or Westerners as &quot;normal&quot;, but instead refer to information gathered from observations and studies of hunter-gatherer peoples as a better guide to what is &quot;normal&quot; in a more natural setting that more closely resembles what Dr. Kurt G. Harris terms &quot;the evolutionary metabolic milieu (EM2)&quot;.

From what I have seen, most people who actually try a Paleo-type diet find it to be a blessing, rather than a curse and this is why it is growing so rapidly in popularity. There are potential pitfulls to be aware of, as with any therapeutic approach, so people who decide to give it a try should educate themselves on them via good sources like the afore-mentioned Dr. Harris, Loren Cordain Phd, S. Boyd Eaton MD, Staffan Lindeberg MD PhD, Michael Eades MD, Stephan Guyenet PhD and many others. Opinions differ on some subjects in the field, so be sure to check out multiple sources.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jonhw wrote on January 27, 2010 at 12:26 am: &#8220;there are lots of things I enjoy that I could perfectly safely stop eating or doing – but if there’s not good evidence they’re harming me, why should I?&#8221;</p>
<p>As Carl Sagan famously pointed out in The Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the Dark (p. 213), &#8220;absence of evidence is not evidence of absence&#8221; (see also <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance</a>). Besides, there is no shortage of evidence that Neolithic foods like processed sugars, grains and legumes can cause harm in humans and lead to what Dr. Stanislas Tanchou termed the &#8220;diseases of civilization&#8221; way back in 1843. Quite the contrary, there is now a mountain of evidence that can no longer be ignored and is sparking a scientific revolution. The evidence has inspired a new field of scientific inquiry called Paleolithic (or evolutionary) nutrition and has greatly developed the field of evolutionary medicine.</p>
<p>Plus, most people who try a Paleolithic-type diet DO have illnesses that have dietary links as evidenced by countless studies and observations of hunter-gatherer peoples. People who believe they are in optimal health are less likely to vary from the Standard American Diet because they have less reason to do so. However, I have seen even such people report that they tried a Paleo approach to improve their sports performance or give them added energy and they reported that some aspects of their health and functioning that they thought were &#8220;normal&#8221; improved. More and more scientists now no longer regard the average health parameters of Americans or Westerners as &#8220;normal&#8221;, but instead refer to information gathered from observations and studies of hunter-gatherer peoples as a better guide to what is &#8220;normal&#8221; in a more natural setting that more closely resembles what Dr. Kurt G. Harris terms &#8220;the evolutionary metabolic milieu (EM2)&#8221;.</p>
<p>From what I have seen, most people who actually try a Paleo-type diet find it to be a blessing, rather than a curse and this is why it is growing so rapidly in popularity. There are potential pitfulls to be aware of, as with any therapeutic approach, so people who decide to give it a try should educate themselves on them via good sources like the afore-mentioned Dr. Harris, Loren Cordain Phd, S. Boyd Eaton MD, Staffan Lindeberg MD PhD, Michael Eades MD, Stephan Guyenet PhD and many others. Opinions differ on some subjects in the field, so be sure to check out multiple sources.</p>
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		<title>By: Trevor</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Trevor]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 24 Jul 2010 22:58:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hi Mark, that&#039;s what we call a placebo effect.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Mark, that&#8217;s what we call a placebo effect.</p>
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		<title>By: jonhw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonhw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Feb 2010 19:52:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[We focussed on a single study just because that came to our attention at the time.  This isn&#039;t a blog about the paleo diet, and I certainly haven&#039;t conducted a review of all the research on the topic.

The fact that a small number of people on this blog report health improvements after changing their diet is nice, but not exactly generalisable.  I&#039;d also note that a lot of the reported benefits could come from aspects of the paleo diet like cutting out some common allergens/causes of food intolerance and cutting out most junk food.

I&#039;m in good health and enjoy eating well, so have no particular desire to change my diet.  If I were to do so, there are a number with a better evidence (and which look more appealing to me!) that I&#039;d try first.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>We focussed on a single study just because that came to our attention at the time.  This isn&#8217;t a blog about the paleo diet, and I certainly haven&#8217;t conducted a review of all the research on the topic.</p>
<p>The fact that a small number of people on this blog report health improvements after changing their diet is nice, but not exactly generalisable.  I&#8217;d also note that a lot of the reported benefits could come from aspects of the paleo diet like cutting out some common allergens/causes of food intolerance and cutting out most junk food.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m in good health and enjoy eating well, so have no particular desire to change my diet.  If I were to do so, there are a number with a better evidence (and which look more appealing to me!) that I&#8217;d try first.</p>
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