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	<title>Comments on: Patrick Holford on Statins and Why You Should Spend Money on His Supplements As Well or Instead</title>
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		<title>By: randall</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/05/29/patrick-holford-on-statins-and-why-you-should-spend-money-on-his-supplements-as-well-or-instead/comment-page-1/#comment-16211</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Mar 2009 19:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[He is a business man who wants your money. All that business about the evils of big pharma is nothing bt a smokescreen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>He is a business man who wants your money. All that business about the evils of big pharma is nothing bt a smokescreen.</p>
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		<title>By: Journalists reports Holford claims which were pre-fisked on HolfordWatch &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/05/29/patrick-holford-on-statins-and-why-you-should-spend-money-on-his-supplements-as-well-or-instead/comment-page-1/#comment-9896</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Journalists reports Holford claims which were pre-fisked on HolfordWatch &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:26:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] report on Holford&#8217;s views on statins. Bad enough in itself, but exactly these claims were thoroughly fisked on HolfordWatch on May 29th. Oh [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] report on Holford&#8217;s views on statins. Bad enough in itself, but exactly these claims were thoroughly fisked on HolfordWatch on May 29th. Oh [...]</p>
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		<title>By: UK dietitian</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/05/29/patrick-holford-on-statins-and-why-you-should-spend-money-on-his-supplements-as-well-or-instead/comment-page-1/#comment-9861</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UK dietitian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 May 2008 18:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 came into force on 26th May .

5.—(1) A commercial practice is a misleading action if it.....(a) if it contains false information and is therefore untruthful ... if it or its overall presentation in any way deceives or is likely to
deceive the average consumer
...


Misleading omissions
6.—(1) A commercial practice is a misleading omission if, in its factual context, taking account
of the matters in paragraph (2)—
(a) the commercial practice omits material information,
(b) the commercial practice hides material information,
(c) the commercial practice provides material information in a manner which is unclear,
unintelligible, ambiguous or untimely, or
(d) the commercial practice fails to identify its commercial intent, unless this is already
apparent from the context,
and as a result it causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise.

for  students at the School of Social Sciences and Law at Teeside University. Who have Holford as a &#039;Visiting Professor&#039;. Discuss.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Consumer Protection from Unfair Trading Regulations 2008 came into force on 26th May .</p>
<p>5.—(1) A commercial practice is a misleading action if it&#8230;..(a) if it contains false information and is therefore untruthful &#8230; if it or its overall presentation in any way deceives or is likely to<br />
deceive the average consumer<br />
&#8230;</p>
<p>Misleading omissions<br />
6.—(1) A commercial practice is a misleading omission if, in its factual context, taking account<br />
of the matters in paragraph (2)—<br />
(a) the commercial practice omits material information,<br />
(b) the commercial practice hides material information,<br />
(c) the commercial practice provides material information in a manner which is unclear,<br />
unintelligible, ambiguous or untimely, or<br />
(d) the commercial practice fails to identify its commercial intent, unless this is already<br />
apparent from the context,<br />
and as a result it causes or is likely to cause the average consumer to take a transactional decision he would not have taken otherwise.</p>
<p>for  students at the School of Social Sciences and Law at Teeside University. Who have Holford as a &#8216;Visiting Professor&#8217;. Discuss.</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/05/29/patrick-holford-on-statins-and-why-you-should-spend-money-on-his-supplements-as-well-or-instead/comment-page-1/#comment-9850</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 22:42:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You&#039;re welcome, Coracle. I haven&#039;t seen the article on succinobucol so rather hope that you do blog it as it sounds intriguing.

Some of the research aspects of this are fascinating - which makes it all the more irritating when people dismiss them without according them they respect that they deserve - and all to promote their own commercial agenda.

I can&#039;t remember the book review in question but I read something recently along the lines of: &quot;Parts of this were original and good. Unfortunately, the parts that were good weren&#039;t original. And the parts that were original weren&#039;t good&quot;. I feel that way about the output of some of the nutritionistas: the parts that everyone can get behind (such as the Mediterranean diet) aren&#039;t original; but the stuff that one would hope is original (e.g., chlorophyll oxygenating the blood) definitely is not good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re welcome, Coracle. I haven&#8217;t seen the article on succinobucol so rather hope that you do blog it as it sounds intriguing.</p>
<p>Some of the research aspects of this are fascinating &#8211; which makes it all the more irritating when people dismiss them without according them they respect that they deserve &#8211; and all to promote their own commercial agenda.</p>
<p>I can&#8217;t remember the book review in question but I read something recently along the lines of: &#8220;Parts of this were original and good. Unfortunately, the parts that were good weren&#8217;t original. And the parts that were original weren&#8217;t good&#8221;. I feel that way about the output of some of the nutritionistas: the parts that everyone can get behind (such as the Mediterranean diet) aren&#8217;t original; but the stuff that one would hope is original (e.g., chlorophyll oxygenating the blood) definitely is not good.</p>
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		<title>By: coracle</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/05/29/patrick-holford-on-statins-and-why-you-should-spend-money-on-his-supplements-as-well-or-instead/comment-page-1/#comment-9848</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[coracle]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 18:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Great post guys. Thanks for the link and for the article on eNOS, I wasn&#039;t aware of the effect of statins on this pathway, very interesting stuff. This week&#039;s lancet had an interesting article on succinobucol which has implications for the cholesterol theory, or rather some of its detractors. I may get around to blogging it at some point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great post guys. Thanks for the link and for the article on eNOS, I wasn&#8217;t aware of the effect of statins on this pathway, very interesting stuff. This week&#8217;s lancet had an interesting article on succinobucol which has implications for the cholesterol theory, or rather some of its detractors. I may get around to blogging it at some point.</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 12:26:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Dr Aust, I was hunting through your blog for that reference but couldn&#039;t locate the search box (must stop writing these posts in the wee smalls) and had a temporary brain fade on how to run a Google site search.; I&#039;ll put it into the main post.

I see that &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17980261?ordinalpos=1&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Wolinsky commented on the Marcoff and Thompson&lt;/a&gt; but I haven&#039;t seen that as yet.

I&#039;ve visited a couple of neighbours recently and they both remarked that at recent check-ups, their GP had advised upping the consumption of oats and wholegrains, fruit and veg etc.  Plus, they had discussed alcohol consumption and the social enjoyment that they get from it and decided that on balance, they could maintain present levels. This is good, nuanced, individualised medical care and should be applauded.

The coverage of the guidelines was rather disappointing in general as there was no discussion (that I&#039;ve seen) of the guidelines stated interest in the relative value of the Framingham Risk formula and the ones trialled in Scotland and various places where social deprivation is a useful proxy indicator for cardiovascular risk factors. There are plenty of thoughtfully considered issues and suggestions for evaluation and further research.

These are interesting guidelines and they deserve better consideration that Holford&#039;s curt dismissal and soundbite promotion of his own commercial interests.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dr Aust, I was hunting through your blog for that reference but couldn&#8217;t locate the search box (must stop writing these posts in the wee smalls) and had a temporary brain fade on how to run a Google site search.; I&#8217;ll put it into the main post.</p>
<p>I see that <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/17980261?ordinalpos=1&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.Pubmed_RVAbstractPlus" rel="nofollow">Wolinsky commented on the Marcoff and Thompson</a> but I haven&#8217;t seen that as yet.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve visited a couple of neighbours recently and they both remarked that at recent check-ups, their GP had advised upping the consumption of oats and wholegrains, fruit and veg etc.  Plus, they had discussed alcohol consumption and the social enjoyment that they get from it and decided that on balance, they could maintain present levels. This is good, nuanced, individualised medical care and should be applauded.</p>
<p>The coverage of the guidelines was rather disappointing in general as there was no discussion (that I&#8217;ve seen) of the guidelines stated interest in the relative value of the Framingham Risk formula and the ones trialled in Scotland and various places where social deprivation is a useful proxy indicator for cardiovascular risk factors. There are plenty of thoughtfully considered issues and suggestions for evaluation and further research.</p>
<p>These are interesting guidelines and they deserve better consideration that Holford&#8217;s curt dismissal and soundbite promotion of his own commercial interests.</p>
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		<title>By: draust</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 29 May 2008 09:19:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Gosh.  Heavy duty stuff,  DVNutrix.  Congrats on   a closely-argued piece of science-based debunking.

To summarize: PH believes that:

 medicines (conventional, prescribed by doctors) are bad; 

supplements (&quot;holistic&quot;, prescribed by nutritionistas) are good...

..and make him richer, naturally (in both senses).

Ho hum.

As I&#039;m sure you know, nicotinic acid for lowering cholesterol is the great discovery of PH&#039;s old mentor and co-founder of &quot;orthomolecular medicine&quot;, &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_Hoffer&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Abram Hoffer&lt;/a&gt;, who I wrote a bit about &lt;a href=&quot;http://draust.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/patrick-holford%e2%80%99s-mentors-and-inspirations-%e2%80%93-but-who-are-they-exactly/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. So nicotinic acid is sort of an &quot;ur-example&quot;, or paradigm example,  for the Nutritionistas of: &quot;something &lt;i&gt;really good&lt;/i&gt; and  &lt;i&gt;natural&lt;/i&gt; that THEY / &quot;Big Pharma&quot; don&#039;t want you to have...&quot;
 
Of course, if people don&#039;t fancy the statins, then as you point out most GPs will tell you to try and eat more fruit and veg, do more exercise and lose some weight, e.g. by buying a bicycle and/or taking long walks. That is what mine told me  the last time I had my lipid levels checked.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gosh.  Heavy duty stuff,  DVNutrix.  Congrats on   a closely-argued piece of science-based debunking.</p>
<p>To summarize: PH believes that:</p>
<p> medicines (conventional, prescribed by doctors) are bad; </p>
<p>supplements (&#8220;holistic&#8221;, prescribed by nutritionistas) are good&#8230;</p>
<p>..and make him richer, naturally (in both senses).</p>
<p>Ho hum.</p>
<p>As I&#8217;m sure you know, nicotinic acid for lowering cholesterol is the great discovery of PH&#8217;s old mentor and co-founder of &#8220;orthomolecular medicine&#8221;, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abram_Hoffer" rel="nofollow">Abram Hoffer</a>, who I wrote a bit about <a href="http://draust.wordpress.com/2007/09/23/patrick-holford%e2%80%99s-mentors-and-inspirations-%e2%80%93-but-who-are-they-exactly/" rel="nofollow">here</a>. So nicotinic acid is sort of an &#8220;ur-example&#8221;, or paradigm example,  for the Nutritionistas of: &#8220;something <i>really good</i> and  <i>natural</i> that THEY / &#8220;Big Pharma&#8221; don&#8217;t want you to have&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>Of course, if people don&#8217;t fancy the statins, then as you point out most GPs will tell you to try and eat more fruit and veg, do more exercise and lose some weight, e.g. by buying a bicycle and/or taking long walks. That is what mine told me  the last time I had my lipid levels checked.</p>
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