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		<title>By: natnut</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[As a dedicated NATNUT, I am still busting my brains studying for my certificate.  

It is by no means easy; you have to study physiology, anatomy, chemistry, nutrition, take lots of case histories and learn to see the connections.  

We are also taught to give different diets to different circumstances after a through analysis of their case which can take up to an hour and is extremely effective.  

In contrast, a visit to a state registered dietician takes about five minutes and results in a standardised diet sheet which is pretty useless, as I have found out to my cost and a lot of pain over many years.    

I have looked at all my notes over 2 years and nowhere have I found 6 pints of water to be recommended to a client.  

Nobody knows the actual details of what went on between Barbara Nash and Dawn Page.  How people can criticise and condemn others without having all the facts is very mystifying to say the least!  

Personally, I am extremely happy with what I have learnt and have not been healthier.  As a result of the knowledge gained, I have finally said bye bye to all my arthritic pains and am enjoying dingy sailing in my twilight years on a trapeze!  Other people have said goodbye to their steroid creams and skin afflictions...  The story goes on and on...

I feel privileged and very happy to be doing this course and would recommend it to any one.   

The sad truth is, people are going to alternative therapies because they are not getting any results from their doctors or state registered dieticians or specialists.  

I and others like me who have overcome their afflictions through natural means of are greatful to the College of Natural Nutriton and its teachings and can not praise enough its teachers.  

The truth, fortunately, will always prevail...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As a dedicated NATNUT, I am still busting my brains studying for my certificate.  </p>
<p>It is by no means easy; you have to study physiology, anatomy, chemistry, nutrition, take lots of case histories and learn to see the connections.  </p>
<p>We are also taught to give different diets to different circumstances after a through analysis of their case which can take up to an hour and is extremely effective.  </p>
<p>In contrast, a visit to a state registered dietician takes about five minutes and results in a standardised diet sheet which is pretty useless, as I have found out to my cost and a lot of pain over many years.    </p>
<p>I have looked at all my notes over 2 years and nowhere have I found 6 pints of water to be recommended to a client.  </p>
<p>Nobody knows the actual details of what went on between Barbara Nash and Dawn Page.  How people can criticise and condemn others without having all the facts is very mystifying to say the least!  </p>
<p>Personally, I am extremely happy with what I have learnt and have not been healthier.  As a result of the knowledge gained, I have finally said bye bye to all my arthritic pains and am enjoying dingy sailing in my twilight years on a trapeze!  Other people have said goodbye to their steroid creams and skin afflictions&#8230;  The story goes on and on&#8230;</p>
<p>I feel privileged and very happy to be doing this course and would recommend it to any one.   </p>
<p>The sad truth is, people are going to alternative therapies because they are not getting any results from their doctors or state registered dieticians or specialists.  </p>
<p>I and others like me who have overcome their afflictions through natural means of are greatful to the College of Natural Nutriton and its teachings and can not praise enough its teachers.  </p>
<p>The truth, fortunately, will always prevail&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/07/06/tara-parker-pope-suggests-consulting-a-nutritionist-if-on-a-renal-diet-in-advanced-stages-of-ckd/comment-page-1/#comment-10268</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 18:52:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[jdc, David Colquhoun would agree with you.

It is already difficult to track why some wording in particular media contravenes ASA regulations when written on a leaflet, but not when on a website; why it is possible to make claims for supplements in an email for which you signed up as long as you promote the link to the website to purchase that supplement in a separate email in which you water down those claims.

It is unbelievably confusing, and the next post will quote Robert Cialdini in some response to this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>jdc, David Colquhoun would agree with you.</p>
<p>It is already difficult to track why some wording in particular media contravenes ASA regulations when written on a leaflet, but not when on a website; why it is possible to make claims for supplements in an email for which you signed up as long as you promote the link to the website to purchase that supplement in a separate email in which you water down those claims.</p>
<p>It is unbelievably confusing, and the next post will quote Robert Cialdini in some response to this.</p>
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		<title>By: jdc325</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 16:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barbara Nash has provided a timely (and unfortunate) example of why TPP was wrong to recommend a nutritionist without any caveat, but the case also highlights the dangers of unregulated nutritionists being allowed to practise. Unfortunately, there is also an argument that regulating nutritionists will give them &#039;credibility&#039;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara Nash has provided a timely (and unfortunate) example of why TPP was wrong to recommend a nutritionist without any caveat, but the case also highlights the dangers of unregulated nutritionists being allowed to practise. Unfortunately, there is also an argument that regulating nutritionists will give them &#8216;credibility&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 14:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It obviously speaks to my frivolity and immaturity that I find the url of the College of Natural Nutrition entertaining - 
http://www.natnut.co.uk/

natnut(s) indeed.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It obviously speaks to my frivolity and immaturity that I find the url of the College of Natural Nutrition entertaining &#8211;<br />
<a href="http://www.natnut.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">http://www.natnut.co.uk/</a></p>
<p>natnut(s) indeed.</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 13:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lee, afaik, this settlement means that there is no ruling against Mrs Nash and no finding of culpability so I doubt that there would be sufficient grounds for even a civil case involving negligence or injury. IANAL however so would be interested in hearing from someone who is.

She is listed in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.yell.com/quickclicks/SP/N/Nutritionists_and_Dieticians/berkshire/1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Yell where she has a BANT membership&lt;/a&gt;. She lists a &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cylex-uk.co.uk/search/nutritional%20therapy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;DNN here&lt;/a&gt;;  in the link posted by TW (above) she refers to naturopathic practitioners - &quot;Please do not try these techniques unless on a proper programme set out by a qualified naturopathic nutritional therapist&quot;;  she refers to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barbaranash.co.uk/nutritionphilosophy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;naturopathic nutrition therapy&lt;/a&gt;; and finally, from a &lt;a href=&quot;http://rightdiet.info/content.php?template=templates/biography.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;bio&lt;/a&gt;:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Barbara Nash is a naturopathic Nutritional therapist and Life and Performance Coach. She gained her Nutritional therapy diploma from the College of Natural Nutrition, London and her life coaching diploma and performance coaching diploma from Newcastle college.
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
You can read all about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.natnut.co.uk/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;correspondence course qualification and other offerings at the College of Natural Nutrition&lt;/a&gt;.

The BANT is puzzling. According to the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.natnut.co.uk/courses/accreditation.php&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;College of Natural Nutrition, their DNN&lt;/a&gt; (now?) only entitles people to membership of:
The Federation of Independent Therapists (F.I.T.) 
The Institute of Complementary Medicine (I.C.M.) 
The Complementary Medical Association (C.M.A.) 
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lee, afaik, this settlement means that there is no ruling against Mrs Nash and no finding of culpability so I doubt that there would be sufficient grounds for even a civil case involving negligence or injury. IANAL however so would be interested in hearing from someone who is.</p>
<p>She is listed in <a href="http://www.yell.com/quickclicks/SP/N/Nutritionists_and_Dieticians/berkshire/1" rel="nofollow">Yell where she has a BANT membership</a>. She lists a <a href="http://www.cylex-uk.co.uk/search/nutritional%20therapy.html" rel="nofollow">DNN here</a>;  in the link posted by TW (above) she refers to naturopathic practitioners &#8211; &#8220;Please do not try these techniques unless on a proper programme set out by a qualified naturopathic nutritional therapist&#8221;;  she refers to <a href="http://www.barbaranash.co.uk/nutritionphilosophy.html" rel="nofollow">naturopathic nutrition therapy</a>; and finally, from a <a href="http://rightdiet.info/content.php?template=templates/biography.html" rel="nofollow">bio</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>Barbara Nash is a naturopathic Nutritional therapist and Life and Performance Coach. She gained her Nutritional therapy diploma from the College of Natural Nutrition, London and her life coaching diploma and performance coaching diploma from Newcastle college.
</p></blockquote>
<p>You can read all about the <a href="http://www.natnut.co.uk/" rel="nofollow">correspondence course qualification and other offerings at the College of Natural Nutrition</a>.</p>
<p>The BANT is puzzling. According to the <a href="http://www.natnut.co.uk/courses/accreditation.php" rel="nofollow">College of Natural Nutrition, their DNN</a> (now?) only entitles people to membership of:<br />
The Federation of Independent Therapists (F.I.T.)<br />
The Institute of Complementary Medicine (I.C.M.)<br />
The Complementary Medical Association (C.M.A.)</p>
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		<title>By: LeeT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeeT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 12:55:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am just trying to think whether there is anything that can be done to stop the therapist practising.  The son of the woman concerned has now posted a comment against the Oxford Mail article. I was thinking about suggesting that he contacted the police. After all if your negligence kills some one you can be charged with manslaughter.

Has anyone else got any suggestions?  It seems extremely unjust that she will not face any investigation.

The website does not provide any details about her training or qualifications, though it does say she was consulted by Central Television.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am just trying to think whether there is anything that can be done to stop the therapist practising.  The son of the woman concerned has now posted a comment against the Oxford Mail article. I was thinking about suggesting that he contacted the police. After all if your negligence kills some one you can be charged with manslaughter.</p>
<p>Has anyone else got any suggestions?  It seems extremely unjust that she will not face any investigation.</p>
<p>The website does not provide any details about her training or qualifications, though it does say she was consulted by Central Television.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Wellcome</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/07/06/tara-parker-pope-suggests-consulting-a-nutritionist-if-on-a-renal-diet-in-advanced-stages-of-ckd/comment-page-1/#comment-10261</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Wellcome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 10:57:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The latest tranche of dietitians who have graduated and last year&#039;s tranche are facing unemployment because there are not sufficient posts for them despite an urgent need in the NHS.

A surprising number of PCT staff find the work of Patrick Holford and his ilk plausible (presumably because they have never checked the references the way that you people do). They  use the terms dietitian and nutritionist as if they are equivalent and a surprising number of them don&#039;t know that the  designation &lt;i&gt;dietitian&lt;/i&gt; is protected and that RDs are registered  with an appropriate body.

So, with the distinction blurred,and more and more publicity given to the &#039;need to detox&#039;, and the need to treat rampant food  &#039;allergies&#039; people end up consulting a nutritionist and think that they are receiving the same advice as they would get from a dietitian. 

I hope that some RDs find their way to the blogs that are covering this and comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The latest tranche of dietitians who have graduated and last year&#8217;s tranche are facing unemployment because there are not sufficient posts for them despite an urgent need in the NHS.</p>
<p>A surprising number of PCT staff find the work of Patrick Holford and his ilk plausible (presumably because they have never checked the references the way that you people do). They  use the terms dietitian and nutritionist as if they are equivalent and a surprising number of them don&#8217;t know that the  designation <i>dietitian</i> is protected and that RDs are registered  with an appropriate body.</p>
<p>So, with the distinction blurred,and more and more publicity given to the &#8216;need to detox&#8217;, and the need to treat rampant food  &#8216;allergies&#8217; people end up consulting a nutritionist and think that they are receiving the same advice as they would get from a dietitian. </p>
<p>I hope that some RDs find their way to the blogs that are covering this and comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 08:26:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Especially worrying is that it’s entirely plausible that Ms Nash is still practising as a Nutritionist&quot;

It would appear so:

http://www.barbaranash.co.uk/index.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Especially worrying is that it’s entirely plausible that Ms Nash is still practising as a Nutritionist&#8221;</p>
<p>It would appear so:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.barbaranash.co.uk/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.barbaranash.co.uk/index.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: jonhw</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:45:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Especially worrying is that it&#039;s entirely plausible that Ms Nash is still practising as a Nutritionist.  She would, legally, be quite within her rights to do so, and she will not face the type of investigation which the GMC or HPC would undertake following a similar case involving a practitioner who was regulated by them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Especially worrying is that it&#8217;s entirely plausible that Ms Nash is still practising as a Nutritionist.  She would, legally, be quite within her rights to do so, and she will not face the type of investigation which the GMC or HPC would undertake following a similar case involving a practitioner who was regulated by them.</p>
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		<title>By: Tony Wellcome</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tony Wellcome]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 07 Jul 2008 00:35:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Barbara Nash on her &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.barbaranash.co.uk/nutritionaltherapy.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;nutritional therapy programme&lt;/a&gt;:&lt;blockquote&gt;My dietary programme is very flexible and versatile to suit what you like. &lt;strong&gt;We do of course avoid harmful ingredients e.g. salt&lt;/strong&gt;…

Naturopathy is optional to your treatment, if you are presenting quite a toxic picture I am likely to recommend that you try some of them, depending on which suits you…

Hydrotherapy is a natural and powerful way to help eliminate toxins from your body e.g. hot and cold showers/tubbing water treatment, coffee and camomile enemas (not obligatory, but they are powerful at helping to rid toxins out of your body and they are more comfortable than you imagine). Castor oil packing helps generate healing to specific areas of the body e.g. placed on your liver will create heat and movement, melting down bad fats so that toxins can move out of your liver through bile. Castor oil attracts all the colours of the spectrum so also helps to attract light &amp; colour healing as well. (&lt;strong&gt;Please do not try these techniques unless on a proper programme set out by a qualified naturopathic nutritional therapist&lt;/strong&gt;)…

I will help you select foods that are healthier, &lt;strong&gt;avoiding salty foods which cause a lot of health problems&lt;/strong&gt;. [My emphasis.]
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
One has to wonder if hyponatraemia played any part in the catastrophe that Mrs Page experienced yet this nutritional therapist is still demonising salt.

I don&#039;t even want to &lt;i&gt;think&lt;/i&gt; about what is going on with that castor oil packing. How can these people believe that it melts &quot;bad fats&quot; through heat? I didn&#039;t even know that naturopaths believed in light and colour healing.

Why am I not comforted by her advice that I should consult a &quot;qualified naturopathic nutritional therapist&quot; or is that an oxymoron?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Barbara Nash on her <a href="http://www.barbaranash.co.uk/nutritionaltherapy.html" rel="nofollow">nutritional therapy programme</a>:<br />
<blockquote>My dietary programme is very flexible and versatile to suit what you like. <strong>We do of course avoid harmful ingredients e.g. salt</strong>…</p>
<p>Naturopathy is optional to your treatment, if you are presenting quite a toxic picture I am likely to recommend that you try some of them, depending on which suits you…</p>
<p>Hydrotherapy is a natural and powerful way to help eliminate toxins from your body e.g. hot and cold showers/tubbing water treatment, coffee and camomile enemas (not obligatory, but they are powerful at helping to rid toxins out of your body and they are more comfortable than you imagine). Castor oil packing helps generate healing to specific areas of the body e.g. placed on your liver will create heat and movement, melting down bad fats so that toxins can move out of your liver through bile. Castor oil attracts all the colours of the spectrum so also helps to attract light &amp; colour healing as well. (<strong>Please do not try these techniques unless on a proper programme set out by a qualified naturopathic nutritional therapist</strong>)…</p>
<p>I will help you select foods that are healthier, <strong>avoiding salty foods which cause a lot of health problems</strong>. [My emphasis.]
</p></blockquote>
<p>One has to wonder if hyponatraemia played any part in the catastrophe that Mrs Page experienced yet this nutritional therapist is still demonising salt.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t even want to <i>think</i> about what is going on with that castor oil packing. How can these people believe that it melts &#8220;bad fats&#8221; through heat? I didn&#8217;t even know that naturopaths believed in light and colour healing.</p>
<p>Why am I not comforted by her advice that I should consult a &#8220;qualified naturopathic nutritional therapist&#8221; or is that an oxymoron?</p>
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