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	<title>Comments on: Professor Stanley, MMR, Measles and C4 Dispatches Publicity</title>
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		<title>By: Why Medscape Should Have Issued A Correction &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Why Medscape Should Have Issued A Correction &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Aug 2008 22:56:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] featured several UK public health experts who strongly emphasised the message that even when a young woman has been vaccinated, it is essential that she should avail herself of a regular screenin.... Several commentators argued that HPV vaccines would not have their desired impact on women&#8217;s [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] featured several UK public health experts who strongly emphasised the message that even when a young woman has been vaccinated, it is essential that she should avail herself of a regular screenin&#8230;. Several commentators argued that HPV vaccines would not have their desired impact on women&#8217;s [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/07/21/professor-stanley-mmr-measles-and-c4-dispatches-publicity/comment-page-1/#comment-10635</link>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:57:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Irim, thank you - I&#039;ve come across versions of that quotation but never an attribution!

Yes. It&#039;s interesting that Dr Richard Smith recently deplored what he believes to be &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/23/cancer.health&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;over-done excitement about a prostate cancer treament&lt;/a&gt;. He gave this insight into his own thought processes in such over-eager promotions:
&lt;blockquote&gt;Years ago I used to be the BBC Breakfast Time doctor, and I had to struggle every week with how to present the results of these sorts of studies to an audience only half awake. My conclusion was that I did much more harm by hyping treatments than I did by being over cautious – because new treatments famously go through phases of being &quot;a major breakthrough&quot; to being &quot;terrible poison&quot; to ending up as &quot;a treatment of limited effectiveness that has some use in some patients&quot;.
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As several commenters point out, there seems to be a drive towards attracting reader attention at the expense of accuracy for readers. 

It&#039;s difficult for newspapers to make a decent call when they are shedding specialist journalists. &lt;i&gt;A Healthy Distrust&lt;/i&gt; has an interesting piece of this topic: &lt;a href=&quot;http://a-healthy-distrust.blogspot.com/2008/06/biggish-picture-or-why-this-blog-exists.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The biggish picture or why this blog exists&lt;/a&gt;.

I couldn&#039;t agree more with fidelity to sources and an appropriate overview.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Irim, thank you &#8211; I&#8217;ve come across versions of that quotation but never an attribution!</p>
<p>Yes. It&#8217;s interesting that Dr Richard Smith recently deplored what he believes to be <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/2008/jul/23/cancer.health" rel="nofollow">over-done excitement about a prostate cancer treament</a>. He gave this insight into his own thought processes in such over-eager promotions:</p>
<blockquote><p>Years ago I used to be the BBC Breakfast Time doctor, and I had to struggle every week with how to present the results of these sorts of studies to an audience only half awake. My conclusion was that I did much more harm by hyping treatments than I did by being over cautious – because new treatments famously go through phases of being &#8220;a major breakthrough&#8221; to being &#8220;terrible poison&#8221; to ending up as &#8220;a treatment of limited effectiveness that has some use in some patients&#8221;.
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<p>As several commenters point out, there seems to be a drive towards attracting reader attention at the expense of accuracy for readers. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s difficult for newspapers to make a decent call when they are shedding specialist journalists. <i>A Healthy Distrust</i> has an interesting piece of this topic: <a href="http://a-healthy-distrust.blogspot.com/2008/06/biggish-picture-or-why-this-blog-exists.html" rel="nofollow">The biggish picture or why this blog exists</a>.</p>
<p>I couldn&#8217;t agree more with fidelity to sources and an appropriate overview.</p>
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		<title>By: Irim</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/07/21/professor-stanley-mmr-measles-and-c4-dispatches-publicity/comment-page-1/#comment-10633</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Irim]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;...I have tried throughout to keep close to the original authorities, wherever that has been possible; and, where conjecture is inevitable, to summarise the best modern criticism.&quot;

Written in the preface to &quot;A history of Rome&quot; by J.L. Myres in 1902.

If only the press and the likes of Holford would do the same in 2008.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;&#8230;I have tried throughout to keep close to the original authorities, wherever that has been possible; and, where conjecture is inevitable, to summarise the best modern criticism.&#8221;</p>
<p>Written in the preface to &#8220;A history of Rome&#8221; by J.L. Myres in 1902.</p>
<p>If only the press and the likes of Holford would do the same in 2008.</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/07/21/professor-stanley-mmr-measles-and-c4-dispatches-publicity/comment-page-1/#comment-10605</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 14:21:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[@RC, it is annoying that scientists and researchers have to pick their words so carefully but that is the reality.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@RC, it is annoying that scientists and researchers have to pick their words so carefully but that is the reality.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Carnegie</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Robert Carnegie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jul 2008 00:41:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the badscience.net forum I suggested &quot;therefore even more certainly biologically safe&quot;.  Even theoretically, there&#039;s less to go wrong in this vaccine than in MMR.  Then again, any puncturing of the skin is inviting trouble that may not even be connected to the vaccine, but is a consequence of the vaccination.  Even psychological.  Then again again, children in particular are liable to meet with greater accidents to their skin, and less hygienic, in everyday life, particularly in hard-paved play areas - although the adolescent target group for HPV vaccine may be a bit past that, unless the powers that be are successful in encouraging more cycling.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the badscience.net forum I suggested &#8220;therefore even more certainly biologically safe&#8221;.  Even theoretically, there&#8217;s less to go wrong in this vaccine than in MMR.  Then again, any puncturing of the skin is inviting trouble that may not even be connected to the vaccine, but is a consequence of the vaccination.  Even psychological.  Then again again, children in particular are liable to meet with greater accidents to their skin, and less hygienic, in everyday life, particularly in hard-paved play areas &#8211; although the adolescent target group for HPV vaccine may be a bit past that, unless the powers that be are successful in encouraging more cycling.</p>
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		<title>By: jdc325</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/07/21/professor-stanley-mmr-measles-and-c4-dispatches-publicity/comment-page-1/#comment-10585</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:33:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Glad you contacted Prof Stanley and even more gladdened by her response. I imagine the anti-vax sites will still quote Moore qouting Stanley and ignore Stanley&#039;s clarification. Ben is right and quote-mining is a speciality of the anti-vaccinationists.

PS: Re the media&#039;s MMR hoax - I posted a little piece about the media&#039;s role [&lt;a href=&quot;http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/wakefield-scapegoated-by-the-media/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;] and suggested Wakefield was being scapegoated and I was pointed to a piece by Anthony Cox [&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.blacktriangle.org/blog/?p=1814&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Black Triangle&lt;/a&gt;] and a piece by Ben Goldacre pointing out that 80% of MMR stories were written by &#039;non-specialist&#039; journalists [&lt;a href=&quot;http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/sciences/story/0,,1104095,00.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;].

&lt;b&gt;Admin Edit: we&#039;ll put those links in an update. We knew that you had written some relevant items but the BSblogs search wasn&#039;t cooperating and the only ones that we could find were jqh&#039;s.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you contacted Prof Stanley and even more gladdened by her response. I imagine the anti-vax sites will still quote Moore qouting Stanley and ignore Stanley&#8217;s clarification. Ben is right and quote-mining is a speciality of the anti-vaccinationists.</p>
<p>PS: Re the media&#8217;s MMR hoax &#8211; I posted a little piece about the media&#8217;s role [<a href="http://jdc325.wordpress.com/2008/06/24/wakefield-scapegoated-by-the-media/" rel="nofollow">here</a>] and suggested Wakefield was being scapegoated and I was pointed to a piece by Anthony Cox [<a href="http://www.blacktriangle.org/blog/?p=1814" rel="nofollow">Black Triangle</a>] and a piece by Ben Goldacre pointing out that 80% of MMR stories were written by &#8216;non-specialist&#8217; journalists [<a href="http://education.guardian.co.uk/higher/sciences/story/0,,1104095,00.html" rel="nofollow">here</a>].</p>
<p><b>Admin Edit: we&#8217;ll put those links in an update. We knew that you had written some relevant items but the BSblogs search wasn&#8217;t cooperating and the only ones that we could find were jqh&#8217;s.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/07/21/professor-stanley-mmr-measles-and-c4-dispatches-publicity/comment-page-1/#comment-10582</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 13:03:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Hopefully, this might restrain the inevitable quoting of Moore on anti-vax sites&quot;

Don&#039;t count on it, quote mining is their speciality]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Hopefully, this might restrain the inevitable quoting of Moore on anti-vax sites&#8221;</p>
<p>Don&#8217;t count on it, quote mining is their speciality</p>
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		<title>By: jonhw</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/07/21/professor-stanley-mmr-measles-and-c4-dispatches-publicity/comment-page-1/#comment-10581</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonhw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jul 2008 12:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks -  it&#039;s good to clarify this.  Hopefully, this might restrain the inevitable quoting of Moore on anti-vax sites...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks &#8211;  it&#8217;s good to clarify this.  Hopefully, this might restrain the inevitable quoting of Moore on anti-vax sites&#8230;</p>
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