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	<title>Comments on: Patrick Holford Loathes Reductionists, So What About His Advert for His Pills?</title>
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		<title>By: Vitamins and Minerals: The Truth About Deficiency and RDAs &#171; jdc325&#39;s Weblog</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Jun 2009 14:11:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Truth About Deficiency and&#160;RDAs  I&#8217;ve previously written a comment on the Holford Watch blog relating to the setting of RDAs in relation to the Orthomolecular Medicine claim that it is a myth [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Truth About Deficiency and&nbsp;RDAs  I&#8217;ve previously written a comment on the Holford Watch blog relating to the setting of RDAs in relation to the Orthomolecular Medicine claim that it is a myth [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 14:34:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Strictly speaking, none. However, there seems to be a recent move towards distinguishing nutritionists (with degrees in nutrition, food science and similar) from &#039;nutritional therapists&#039; who have studied with the ION or similar.

It is all very odd.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Strictly speaking, none. However, there seems to be a recent move towards distinguishing nutritionists (with degrees in nutrition, food science and similar) from &#8216;nutritional therapists&#8217; who have studied with the ION or similar.</p>
<p>It is all very odd.</p>
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		<title>By: Mojo</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 12:08:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Biocare claims have a team of “&lt;b&gt;qualified&lt;/b&gt; nutritionists and scientists” (my emphasis) working for them yet they don’t seem to have noticed Holford’s lack of relevant credentials.&quot;

What qualifications or credentials does he need to call himself a &quot;nutritionist&quot;?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Biocare claims have a team of “<b>qualified</b> nutritionists and scientists” (my emphasis) working for them yet they don’t seem to have noticed Holford’s lack of relevant credentials.&#8221;</p>
<p>What qualifications or credentials does he need to call himself a &#8220;nutritionist&#8221;?</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 23:55:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The nonsense about RDAs in the advert is par for the course for the patrickholford.com website and the books.

If there is one predominant message that should be clear, there is no multivitamin formulation/panacea that suits all ages and stages of life and for many reasons (including some of the fine points that jdc adds above) I&#039;m not sure that promoting the idea that there is a good foundational multivitamin that suits all adults is an exercise that has any merit.

I have no idea why Biocare believes this to be a formulation that is grounded in solid research from an appropriately qualified person. It is lamentable that people rely on them for appropriately-researched and justified products yet they are happy to include a product and range like this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The nonsense about RDAs in the advert is par for the course for the patrickholford.com website and the books.</p>
<p>If there is one predominant message that should be clear, there is no multivitamin formulation/panacea that suits all ages and stages of life and for many reasons (including some of the fine points that jdc adds above) I&#8217;m not sure that promoting the idea that there is a good foundational multivitamin that suits all adults is an exercise that has any merit.</p>
<p>I have no idea why Biocare believes this to be a formulation that is grounded in solid research from an appropriately qualified person. It is lamentable that people rely on them for appropriately-researched and justified products yet they are happy to include a product and range like this.</p>
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		<title>By: UK dietitian</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[UK dietitian]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 21:46:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[well done Holfordwatchers in explaining nutrient requirements - and demonstrating again how Holford fails to understand the basic science out there.

Wonder how Biocare reconcile this oversight?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>well done Holfordwatchers in explaining nutrient requirements &#8211; and demonstrating again how Holford fails to understand the basic science out there.</p>
<p>Wonder how Biocare reconcile this oversight?</p>
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		<title>By: jdc325</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 20:33:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m back. &lt;a href=&quot;http://orthomolecular.org/history/myths/index.shtml&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Orthomolecular.org&lt;/a&gt; has a &#039;myths&#039; page.
&quot;Myth: Vitamins are dangerous.
Truth: In over the past 10 years, no one has died from taking vitamin supplements.&quot;
In their minds danger = death. Even if that were a fair point, Bjelakovic tells us that certain antioxidant vitamins may increase mortality [treatment with beta carotene, vitamin A, and vitamin E may increase mortality and the potential roles of vitamin C and selenium on mortality need further study] - I think the people behind the Orthomolecular may be referring solely to a lack of acute toxicity cases causing death, which is a bit different to a blanket statement that vitamins are not dangerous.

&quot;Myth: No one is deficient of essential nutrients&quot; is followed by the stated fact that 50-60 per cent of Americans (up to 75 or 80% for some nutrients) are failing to achieve the RDA for certain vits and mins. That they are not achieving the RDA (I note that just how far short of the RDAs these Americans were falling is not specified by Orthomolecular) does not mean that they are deficient in vitamins. If I may quote Derek Shrimpton - 
&quot;The term [RDA] recognises that particular groups of individuals (E.g. infants and those over 60) have different needs and for each group, the intention was to be sufficiently generous to encompass the presumed (but unmeasured) variability in requirement among people. This meant that the value was usually set deliberately high&quot;, so... we are all different, we all require different amounts of vitamins and minerals [as any nutritionist will tell you], but this doesn&#039;t mean that RDA amounts are likely to be insufficient for some of us - given that RDAs are usually set deliberately high it&#039;s actually more likely that they are over and above our needs rather than being &#039;sub-optimum&#039;. I wonder how many people who have seen Holford&#039;s ODAs in the Optimum Nutrition Bible are aware of that?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m back. <a href="http://orthomolecular.org/history/myths/index.shtml" rel="nofollow">Orthomolecular.org</a> has a &#8216;myths&#8217; page.<br />
&#8220;Myth: Vitamins are dangerous.<br />
Truth: In over the past 10 years, no one has died from taking vitamin supplements.&#8221;<br />
In their minds danger = death. Even if that were a fair point, Bjelakovic tells us that certain antioxidant vitamins may increase mortality [treatment with beta carotene, vitamin A, and vitamin E may increase mortality and the potential roles of vitamin C and selenium on mortality need further study] &#8211; I think the people behind the Orthomolecular may be referring solely to a lack of acute toxicity cases causing death, which is a bit different to a blanket statement that vitamins are not dangerous.</p>
<p>&#8220;Myth: No one is deficient of essential nutrients&#8221; is followed by the stated fact that 50-60 per cent of Americans (up to 75 or 80% for some nutrients) are failing to achieve the RDA for certain vits and mins. That they are not achieving the RDA (I note that just how far short of the RDAs these Americans were falling is not specified by Orthomolecular) does not mean that they are deficient in vitamins. If I may quote Derek Shrimpton &#8211;<br />
&#8220;The term [RDA] recognises that particular groups of individuals (E.g. infants and those over 60) have different needs and for each group, the intention was to be sufficiently generous to encompass the presumed (but unmeasured) variability in requirement among people. This meant that the value was usually set deliberately high&#8221;, so&#8230; we are all different, we all require different amounts of vitamins and minerals [as any nutritionist will tell you], but this doesn&#8217;t mean that RDA amounts are likely to be insufficient for some of us &#8211; given that RDAs are usually set deliberately high it&#8217;s actually more likely that they are over and above our needs rather than being &#8216;sub-optimum&#8217;. I wonder how many people who have seen Holford&#8217;s ODAs in the Optimum Nutrition Bible are aware of that?</p>
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		<title>By: jdc325</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 19:56:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I just noticed that Holford seems to be recommending 10mcg per day for Manganese. Most supplements containing Manganese have it in milligram rather than microgram amounts. I&#039;ve seen anything from 0.5mg to 5mg, but nothing as low as 10mcg. Maybe he means 10mg? Although...
Eatwell says of this mineral with regards older supplement users: &quot;Using the NOAEL from the Kondakis study, it can be assumed that up to 0.5 mg/day manganese (equivalent to 0.008 mg/kg bw for a 60 kg adult) in addition to the diet would not result in adverse effects in older people&quot; and the FSA met with supplement companies selling products containing greater than 0.5mg Mn and asked them to include a warning on the pack. No agreement between industry and the FSA was reached on this warning, but I think that, speaking personally, I would be rather wary of advising the general public to consume 10mg Mn per day without warning the elderly. I&#039;ve read that there did used to be an RDA for Manganese in the region of 2.5-5mg, but I think that because manganese deficiency has only been observed under experimental conditions, the RDA was removed. [Can&#039;t find confirmation of this on any reliable sites at the mo, so am a bit unsure if this is actually true]

And 100mcg for Chromium? COMA reckons &quot;an adequate level of intake for trivalent chromium lies above 0.025 mg/day for adults and between 0.0001 and 0.001 mg/kg/day for children and adolescents&quot; 
0.1 to 1 mcg is adequate for children and adolescents, but PH thinks 100 times the upper amount I quote is &quot;optimum&quot;? And he&#039;s basing this on... peer-reviewed, published justification? Oh. He isn&#039;t. Oh dear. Happily, the EVM state that &quot;ingested trivalent chromium has a low level of toxicity, due partly to its poor absorption&quot;, but they also point out that &quot;the data on oral chromium toxicity are limited&quot; so I think I&#039;d be rather reticent to recommend levels much higher than those cited by COMA (about four times the recommended level for adults and one hundred to one thousand times the level for children and adolescents.

[Sorry for the horrendously long comment. I&#039;ll probably be back in a bit once I&#039;ve read the Orthomolecular site, so you should probably brace yourselves for more verbiage]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just noticed that Holford seems to be recommending 10mcg per day for Manganese. Most supplements containing Manganese have it in milligram rather than microgram amounts. I&#8217;ve seen anything from 0.5mg to 5mg, but nothing as low as 10mcg. Maybe he means 10mg? Although&#8230;<br />
Eatwell says of this mineral with regards older supplement users: &#8220;Using the NOAEL from the Kondakis study, it can be assumed that up to 0.5 mg/day manganese (equivalent to 0.008 mg/kg bw for a 60 kg adult) in addition to the diet would not result in adverse effects in older people&#8221; and the FSA met with supplement companies selling products containing greater than 0.5mg Mn and asked them to include a warning on the pack. No agreement between industry and the FSA was reached on this warning, but I think that, speaking personally, I would be rather wary of advising the general public to consume 10mg Mn per day without warning the elderly. I&#8217;ve read that there did used to be an RDA for Manganese in the region of 2.5-5mg, but I think that because manganese deficiency has only been observed under experimental conditions, the RDA was removed. [Can't find confirmation of this on any reliable sites at the mo, so am a bit unsure if this is actually true]</p>
<p>And 100mcg for Chromium? COMA reckons &#8220;an adequate level of intake for trivalent chromium lies above 0.025 mg/day for adults and between 0.0001 and 0.001 mg/kg/day for children and adolescents&#8221;<br />
0.1 to 1 mcg is adequate for children and adolescents, but PH thinks 100 times the upper amount I quote is &#8220;optimum&#8221;? And he&#8217;s basing this on&#8230; peer-reviewed, published justification? Oh. He isn&#8217;t. Oh dear. Happily, the EVM state that &#8220;ingested trivalent chromium has a low level of toxicity, due partly to its poor absorption&#8221;, but they also point out that &#8220;the data on oral chromium toxicity are limited&#8221; so I think I&#8217;d be rather reticent to recommend levels much higher than those cited by COMA (about four times the recommended level for adults and one hundred to one thousand times the level for children and adolescents.</p>
<p>[Sorry for the horrendously long comment. I'll probably be back in a bit once I've read the Orthomolecular site, so you should probably brace yourselves for more verbiage]</p>
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		<title>By: superburger</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Aug 2008 08:11:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here is a SA TV advert for BioHarmony featuring  Holford 

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5YKpBgG8DVE]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here is a SA TV advert for BioHarmony featuring  Holford </p>
<p><span style="text-align:center; display: block;"><a href="http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/01/patrick-holford-loathes-reductionists-so-what-about-his-advert-for-his-pills/"><img src="http://img.youtube.com/vi/5YKpBgG8DVE/2.jpg" alt="" /></a></span></p>
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