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	<title>Comments on: Carole Caplin Is Persuading Us of The Merits of Biocare&#8217;s Supplements?</title>
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		<title>By: One alternative reality, please…! No, make that several &#171; Dr Aust&#8217;s Spleen</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[One alternative reality, please…! No, make that several &#171; Dr Aust&#8217;s Spleen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Aug 2008 21:47:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] as I have argued elsewhere in the Bad Science blogosphere (e.g.here), no CAM therapy ever really dies out. This is partly because CAM’s lack of basis in evidence [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] as I have argued elsewhere in the Bad Science blogosphere (e.g.here), no CAM therapy ever really dies out. This is partly because CAM’s lack of basis in evidence [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Holford and Q-Link: Boyd&#8217;s Galvanic Batteries with a C21 Update? &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Holford and Q-Link: Boyd&#8217;s Galvanic Batteries with a C21 Update? &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Aug 2008 04:44:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] whether or not there are new and innovative examples of woo or just reformulations of old woo, Dr Aust summed up the state of play. ANY Alt.Health belief that has EVER been held will still be percolating around somewhere, no [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] whether or not there are new and innovative examples of woo or just reformulations of old woo, Dr Aust summed up the state of play. ANY Alt.Health belief that has EVER been held will still be percolating around somewhere, no [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 17:13:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I am making a little collection of oddities that I come across that seem to have their roots in former products from previous centuries that have been exposed as nonsensical, but now appear with a C21 twist.

I may write this up in drips and drabs so look out for the &lt;a href=&quot;http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/05/patrick-holford-and-q-link-boyds-galvanic-batteries-with-a-c21-update/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Q-Link pendant and Boyd&#039;s Batteries&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am making a little collection of oddities that I come across that seem to have their roots in former products from previous centuries that have been exposed as nonsensical, but now appear with a C21 twist.</p>
<p>I may write this up in drips and drabs so look out for the <a href="http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/05/patrick-holford-and-q-link-boyds-galvanic-batteries-with-a-c21-update/" rel="nofollow">Q-Link pendant and Boyd&#8217;s Batteries</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: draust</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 04 Aug 2008 00:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know what you mean.  What I find is that every time I think of something utterly ridiculous: &quot;&lt;b&gt;next&lt;/b&gt; thing they&#039;ll be claiming that...&quot;

..I find that it is already part of the Alt Health-iverse.

Of course, once you start thinking about it, you can see why this is so. The argument goes like this:

1.  In the Alt-Healthi-verse. nothing can ever be disproved, as &quot;what scientist call &quot;trials&quot; are not appropriate tests&quot;.

So 2.  No belief, no matter how deluded, will ever die - at least as long as it has at least one advocate to keep the website live

Plus:

3.  People are desperate for hope and eternally gullible, hence 1. and also their susceptibility to 2.

Ergo:  

4.  ANY Alt.Health belief  that has EVER been held will still be percolating around somewhere, no matter how insane it is.

Thus in order to dream up &quot;New Woo&quot;, you have to come up with something that absolutely no-one, anywhere, has ever though of before. As any scientist real scientist will tell you, this is a tall order.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know what you mean.  What I find is that every time I think of something utterly ridiculous: &#8220;<b>next</b> thing they&#8217;ll be claiming that&#8230;&#8221;</p>
<p>..I find that it is already part of the Alt Health-iverse.</p>
<p>Of course, once you start thinking about it, you can see why this is so. The argument goes like this:</p>
<p>1.  In the Alt-Healthi-verse. nothing can ever be disproved, as &#8220;what scientist call &#8220;trials&#8221; are not appropriate tests&#8221;.</p>
<p>So 2.  No belief, no matter how deluded, will ever die &#8211; at least as long as it has at least one advocate to keep the website live</p>
<p>Plus:</p>
<p>3.  People are desperate for hope and eternally gullible, hence 1. and also their susceptibility to 2.</p>
<p>Ergo:  </p>
<p>4.  ANY Alt.Health belief  that has EVER been held will still be percolating around somewhere, no matter how insane it is.</p>
<p>Thus in order to dream up &#8220;New Woo&#8221;, you have to come up with something that absolutely no-one, anywhere, has ever though of before. As any scientist real scientist will tell you, this is a tall order.</p>
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		<title>By: jonhw</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 22:48:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The problem with thinking up original health idiocies - if you&#039;re able to realise that they are idiocies - is that, whatever you suggest, and however clear you make if that you are joking, there is a good chance that someone, somewhere will be daft enough to try it.  I&#039;d feel bad about that...and so, I expect, would many other people.

I suspect that many alt health pioneers - who do come up with, and market, genuinely new idiocies - may lack the competence to realise how stupid their ideas are, and lack the self-awareness to recognise their incompetence.  In today&#039;s society, a lack of competence and self-awareness can be extremely valuable: after all, there is a demand for new products in the alt health market.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem with thinking up original health idiocies &#8211; if you&#8217;re able to realise that they are idiocies &#8211; is that, whatever you suggest, and however clear you make if that you are joking, there is a good chance that someone, somewhere will be daft enough to try it.  I&#8217;d feel bad about that&#8230;and so, I expect, would many other people.</p>
<p>I suspect that many alt health pioneers &#8211; who do come up with, and market, genuinely new idiocies &#8211; may lack the competence to realise how stupid their ideas are, and lack the self-awareness to recognise their incompetence.  In today&#8217;s society, a lack of competence and self-awareness can be extremely valuable: after all, there is a demand for new products in the alt health market.</p>
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		<title>By: Wulfstan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wulfstan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 20:58:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Persaud abbreviation is a serendipity to be savoured.

So many of these alt. beliefs seem to have their roots in very dodgy history and folklores. 

What &lt;i&gt;would&lt;/i&gt; be an exciting and wholly original health idiocy?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Persaud abbreviation is a serendipity to be savoured.</p>
<p>So many of these alt. beliefs seem to have their roots in very dodgy history and folklores. </p>
<p>What <i>would</i> be an exciting and wholly original health idiocy?</p>
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		<title>By: draust</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:57:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You might be amused to hear that the Wordpress email I received to tell me about this post pingback-ing mine appeared in my inbox with the title:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;b&gt;Carole Caplin is Persuad.&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

(sic)

Talking of Persauds, I don&#039;t know Carole has ever crossed paths with &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4179597.ece&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt; Dr Raj of that ilk&lt;/a&gt;. I rather suspect not, although I could imagine them  both attending one of Cherie Blair&#039;s garden parties. 

However, would it be too snide to imagine that our Carole&#039;s bonnes pensees about all things natural health-ish are likely to be, erm, heavily derivative, at least in the sense of being standard boiler-plate nutri-idiot isms?

Of course, I would be delighted to find that Carole has dreamed up some new and &lt;i&gt;completely original&lt;/i&gt; natural health idiocies. But somehow I doubt it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You might be amused to hear that the WordPress email I received to tell me about this post pingback-ing mine appeared in my inbox with the title:</p>
<blockquote><p><b>Carole Caplin is Persuad.</b></p></blockquote>
<p>(sic)</p>
<p>Talking of Persauds, I don&#8217;t know Carole has ever crossed paths with <a href="http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/uk/article4179597.ece" rel="nofollow"> Dr Raj of that ilk</a>. I rather suspect not, although I could imagine them  both attending one of Cherie Blair&#8217;s garden parties. </p>
<p>However, would it be too snide to imagine that our Carole&#8217;s bonnes pensees about all things natural health-ish are likely to be, erm, heavily derivative, at least in the sense of being standard boiler-plate nutri-idiot isms?</p>
<p>Of course, I would be delighted to find that Carole has dreamed up some new and <i>completely original</i> natural health idiocies. But somehow I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:26:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve just been reading a review of &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/119788/you_and_nonyou__carole_caplins_lifestyle_book_is_a/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Carole Caplin&#039;s Lifesmart book&lt;/a&gt;.
&lt;blockquote&gt;CAROLE Caplin has done us all a favour. Indeed, she has performed a general public service. In a single volume, she has presented a superb bouquet of the latest alternative health follies - saving us the trouble of gathering these blossoms one by one. 

Lifesmart: Get the Facts, Follow the Steps, Feel the Difference (Weidenfeld and Nicolson) will be of real value to social historians for years as a representative anthology of current fads. 

Almost nothing, save conventional medicine, is excluded. 

Caplin believes anything goes...

Caplin is strangely undeterred when her alternative approaches do not work. &quot;The journey is just as important as the result,&quot; she avers. 

&quot;Authors, practitioners and workers in all fields of health and fitness need to encourage the importance of the journey far more than the result itself.&quot;

Just pray that your dentist or orthopaedic surgeon doesn&#039;t think the same, eh?...

In a crisis she &quot;would always choose homeopathic medication rather than pharmaceutical drugs as they are powerful, effective and non-addictive, with no side effects&quot;...

She recites the moving story of a wee lad cured of his eczema. First, his liver was calmed with emeralds and sapphires, then his spleen was activated-with diamonds and carnelians...

In one singularly ill-informed and irresponsible sentence, she asserts: &quot;Contrary to what you may believe, colds and flu are the body&#039;s way of getting rid of the toxins that build up from an overdose of yeast, sugar, antibiotics, lack of sleep or other negative behaviour that clogs up your system.&quot; And there we were thinking they were viruses. A doctor she is not. 

WHAT she is more like is Swiss Toni from The Fast Show. 
&lt;/blockquote&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve just been reading a review of <a href="http://www.redorbit.com/news/health/119788/you_and_nonyou__carole_caplins_lifestyle_book_is_a/" rel="nofollow">Carole Caplin&#8217;s Lifesmart book</a>.</p>
<blockquote><p>CAROLE Caplin has done us all a favour. Indeed, she has performed a general public service. In a single volume, she has presented a superb bouquet of the latest alternative health follies &#8211; saving us the trouble of gathering these blossoms one by one. </p>
<p>Lifesmart: Get the Facts, Follow the Steps, Feel the Difference (Weidenfeld and Nicolson) will be of real value to social historians for years as a representative anthology of current fads. </p>
<p>Almost nothing, save conventional medicine, is excluded. </p>
<p>Caplin believes anything goes&#8230;</p>
<p>Caplin is strangely undeterred when her alternative approaches do not work. &#8220;The journey is just as important as the result,&#8221; she avers. </p>
<p>&#8220;Authors, practitioners and workers in all fields of health and fitness need to encourage the importance of the journey far more than the result itself.&#8221;</p>
<p>Just pray that your dentist or orthopaedic surgeon doesn&#8217;t think the same, eh?&#8230;</p>
<p>In a crisis she &#8220;would always choose homeopathic medication rather than pharmaceutical drugs as they are powerful, effective and non-addictive, with no side effects&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>She recites the moving story of a wee lad cured of his eczema. First, his liver was calmed with emeralds and sapphires, then his spleen was activated-with diamonds and carnelians&#8230;</p>
<p>In one singularly ill-informed and irresponsible sentence, she asserts: &#8220;Contrary to what you may believe, colds and flu are the body&#8217;s way of getting rid of the toxins that build up from an overdose of yeast, sugar, antibiotics, lack of sleep or other negative behaviour that clogs up your system.&#8221; And there we were thinking they were viruses. A doctor she is not. </p>
<p>WHAT she is more like is Swiss Toni from The Fast Show.
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		<title>By: Mary Parsons</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Mary Parsons]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 18:01:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Biocare has a product for children 6 months and up? If anyone is even considering this I would hope that they have consulted their Health Visitor or GP as to why they think it is necessary.

I remember &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.teachers.tv/video/2481&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Carole Caplin taking the Teaching Challenge&lt;/a&gt;. I thought that she gained a lot of credibility from that exercise because one of the other participants was John Humphreys.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Biocare has a product for children 6 months and up? If anyone is even considering this I would hope that they have consulted their Health Visitor or GP as to why they think it is necessary.</p>
<p>I remember <a href="http://www.teachers.tv/video/2481" rel="nofollow">Carole Caplin taking the Teaching Challenge</a>. I thought that she gained a lot of credibility from that exercise because one of the other participants was John Humphreys.</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 03 Aug 2008 17:47:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;there are about 220 million strict vegetarians in India, according to the Anthropological Survey of India
&lt;/blockquote&gt;
I hoped that somebody would quantify the observation about vegetarians - this is the especially good aspect of blogging, the knowledgeable comments, feedback and additional relevant references.

I must acknowledge however that &lt;a href=&quot;http://rachel-catherine.blogspot.com/2006/10/carole-caplin-and-wi.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;many sensible people seem to find her charismatic and plausible&lt;/a&gt; (WI meeting apparently) so I am a little concerned to find her promoting supplement use in such a credulous manner.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>there are about 220 million strict vegetarians in India, according to the Anthropological Survey of India
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<p>I hoped that somebody would quantify the observation about vegetarians &#8211; this is the especially good aspect of blogging, the knowledgeable comments, feedback and additional relevant references.</p>
<p>I must acknowledge however that <a href="http://rachel-catherine.blogspot.com/2006/10/carole-caplin-and-wi.html" rel="nofollow">many sensible people seem to find her charismatic and plausible</a> (WI meeting apparently) so I am a little concerned to find her promoting supplement use in such a credulous manner.</p>
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