<?xml version="1.0" encoding="UTF-8"?><rss version="2.0"
	xmlns:content="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/content/"
	xmlns:dc="http://purl.org/dc/elements/1.1/"
	xmlns:atom="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom"
	xmlns:sy="http://purl.org/rss/1.0/modules/syndication/"
	xmlns:georss="http://www.georss.org/georss" xmlns:geo="http://www.w3.org/2003/01/geo/wgs84_pos#" xmlns:media="http://search.yahoo.com/mrss/"
		>
<channel>
	<title>Comments on: The Elmhurst Epidemic: classic example of the cultural and scientific clash between CAM and medicine</title>
	<atom:link href="http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/20/the-elmhurst-epidemic-classic-example-of-the-cultural-and-scientific-clash-between-cam-and-medicine/feed/" rel="self" type="application/rss+xml" />
	<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/20/the-elmhurst-epidemic-classic-example-of-the-cultural-and-scientific-clash-between-cam-and-medicine/</link>
	<description>The truth about Patrick Holford, media nutritionist</description>
	<lastBuildDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2011 15:11:39 +0000</lastBuildDate>
	<sy:updatePeriod>hourly</sy:updatePeriod>
	<sy:updateFrequency>1</sy:updateFrequency>
	<generator>http://wordpress.com/</generator>
	<item>
		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/20/the-elmhurst-epidemic-classic-example-of-the-cultural-and-scientific-clash-between-cam-and-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-11433</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 22:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://holfordwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1107#comment-11433</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[APGaylard, as you say, your money has gone to some very worthy people and will spread enlightenment throughout the world which sounds like a bargain and a real return on investment to me.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>APGaylard, as you say, your money has gone to some very worthy people and will spread enlightenment throughout the world which sounds like a bargain and a real return on investment to me.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: apgaylard</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/20/the-elmhurst-epidemic-classic-example-of-the-cultural-and-scientific-clash-between-cam-and-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-11422</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[apgaylard]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Aug 2008 18:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://holfordwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1107#comment-11422</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[Excellent piece.  New to me as well.  Testing Treatments is excellent.  I&#039;m a bit conflicted as I actually bought a copy: slightly miffed I could now get it for free; though feel good about putting a little cash in the pockets of good authors.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent piece.  New to me as well.  Testing Treatments is excellent.  I&#8217;m a bit conflicted as I actually bought a copy: slightly miffed I could now get it for free; though feel good about putting a little cash in the pockets of good authors.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: jdc325</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/20/the-elmhurst-epidemic-classic-example-of-the-cultural-and-scientific-clash-between-cam-and-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-11230</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jdc325]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 19:58:25 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://holfordwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1107#comment-11230</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[dvnutrix - thanks for that link. Just downloaded Testing Treatments and will get round to reading it soon, hopefully.

Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>dvnutrix &#8211; thanks for that link. Just downloaded Testing Treatments and will get round to reading it soon, hopefully.</p>
<p>Cheers.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/20/the-elmhurst-epidemic-classic-example-of-the-cultural-and-scientific-clash-between-cam-and-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-11228</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:43:41 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://holfordwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1107#comment-11228</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s interesting that this lack of comprehension persists although people are encouraged more and more to &#039;partner&#039; in their health decisions with their GP or other healthcare advisers. It&#039;s difficult to see how this could ever be realistic unless there is a wider understanding of risk, statistics and the interpretation of clinical trials.

One of the best explanations of &#039;fair tests&#039; is &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.jameslindlibrary.org/testing-treatments.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Evans, Thornton and Chalmers&#039; &lt;i&gt;Testing Treatments&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt; (available for free download). We strongly recommend this generalist and entertaining book to interested parties as it explains all the ins-and-outs of what makes a fair test and why it is important to run trials.

And, of course, there are strong rumours that Ben Goldacre&#039;s book, &lt;i&gt;Bad Science&lt;/i&gt; will be available from all good booksellers in the near future and that it will be chock full of pertinent explanations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s interesting that this lack of comprehension persists although people are encouraged more and more to &#8216;partner&#8217; in their health decisions with their GP or other healthcare advisers. It&#8217;s difficult to see how this could ever be realistic unless there is a wider understanding of risk, statistics and the interpretation of clinical trials.</p>
<p>One of the best explanations of &#8216;fair tests&#8217; is <a href="http://www.jameslindlibrary.org/testing-treatments.html" rel="nofollow">Evans, Thornton and Chalmers&#8217; <i>Testing Treatments</i></a> (available for free download). We strongly recommend this generalist and entertaining book to interested parties as it explains all the ins-and-outs of what makes a fair test and why it is important to run trials.</p>
<p>And, of course, there are strong rumours that Ben Goldacre&#8217;s book, <i>Bad Science</i> will be available from all good booksellers in the near future and that it will be chock full of pertinent explanations.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Don Cox</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/20/the-elmhurst-epidemic-classic-example-of-the-cultural-and-scientific-clash-between-cam-and-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-11227</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Don Cox]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 17:26:21 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://holfordwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1107#comment-11227</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[The underlying problem is that the average citizen-in-the-street has absolutely no comprehension of statistics or experimental method. People do not understand how or why clinical trials are carried out.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The underlying problem is that the average citizen-in-the-street has absolutely no comprehension of statistics or experimental method. People do not understand how or why clinical trials are carried out.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: jdc325</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/20/the-elmhurst-epidemic-classic-example-of-the-cultural-and-scientific-clash-between-cam-and-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-11224</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jdc325]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 15:53:28 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://holfordwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1107#comment-11224</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[From the notes - &#039;laetrile&#039; rang a particularly alarming bell. That&#039;s one that I keep coming across on the internet - one that seems to have quite an interesting history too...

Re Wulfstan&#039;s link to that Quackometer comment thread: Invisible friends. Appeals to Authority. Unsubstantiated claims. Wow. 

Incidentally, the final comment on that thread (from &#039;anonymous&#039; rather than &#039;bagsus&#039;) is incredible - including mentions of: bloodthirstiness, pure filth, libel, and the hope that &quot;someone will find the time to bother to sue your asses again and again&quot;.  Hm, not sure whether I meant &#039;incredible&#039;. Perhaps &#039;ridiculous&#039; is a better description of that comment. Cheers for that linky Wulfstan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From the notes &#8211; &#8216;laetrile&#8217; rang a particularly alarming bell. That&#8217;s one that I keep coming across on the internet &#8211; one that seems to have quite an interesting history too&#8230;</p>
<p>Re Wulfstan&#8217;s link to that Quackometer comment thread: Invisible friends. Appeals to Authority. Unsubstantiated claims. Wow. </p>
<p>Incidentally, the final comment on that thread (from &#8216;anonymous&#8217; rather than &#8216;bagsus&#8217;) is incredible &#8211; including mentions of: bloodthirstiness, pure filth, libel, and the hope that &#8220;someone will find the time to bother to sue your asses again and again&#8221;.  Hm, not sure whether I meant &#8216;incredible&#8217;. Perhaps &#8216;ridiculous&#8217; is a better description of that comment. Cheers for that linky Wulfstan.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/20/the-elmhurst-epidemic-classic-example-of-the-cultural-and-scientific-clash-between-cam-and-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-11223</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 14:51:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://holfordwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1107#comment-11223</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[One of the most interesting aspects of this is what Ernst identifies as a &quot;repetitive pattern&quot; (note c, reference 5). It is notable that the political and social pressure was exacerbated by &quot;the role of the media in promoting and diffusing this alternative anticancer treatment&quot; (2nd review, reference 3). Which brings what &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/nov/16/sciencenews.g2&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ben Goldacre characterises as the MMR hoax&lt;/a&gt; to mind.

@Wulfstan, pleased to hear that it was novel for you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One of the most interesting aspects of this is what Ernst identifies as a &#8220;repetitive pattern&#8221; (note c, reference 5). It is notable that the political and social pressure was exacerbated by &#8220;the role of the media in promoting and diffusing this alternative anticancer treatment&#8221; (2nd review, reference 3). Which brings what <a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/nov/16/sciencenews.g2" rel="nofollow">Ben Goldacre characterises as the MMR hoax</a> to mind.</p>
<p>@Wulfstan, pleased to hear that it was novel for you.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Wulfstan</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/20/the-elmhurst-epidemic-classic-example-of-the-cultural-and-scientific-clash-between-cam-and-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-11221</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wulfstan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 13:38:27 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://holfordwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1107#comment-11221</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.google.com/search?q=%22elmhurst+epidemic%22&amp;rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;sourceid=ie7&amp;rlz=1I7SKPB&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Elmhurst Epidemic&lt;/a&gt; at 14:00 BST yielded only this blog in the results.

Despite your strictures on the originality or thought processes of others, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/06/bravewell-and-prince.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;your own comments aren&#039;t improving&lt;/a&gt;, Bagsus, are they? Weren&#039;t you recently saying how you thought that the crystal skulls were genuine until you saw a TV documentary?

I would not be too surprised if some of the material is new to some people (it was to me). Plus, almost nothing to do with homeopathy is new and yet that is still a matter of interest to some.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=%22elmhurst+epidemic%22&amp;rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&amp;ie=UTF-8&amp;oe=UTF-8&amp;sourceid=ie7&amp;rlz=1I7SKPB" rel="nofollow">Elmhurst Epidemic</a> at 14:00 BST yielded only this blog in the results.</p>
<p>Despite your strictures on the originality or thought processes of others, <a href="http://www.quackometer.net/blog/2008/06/bravewell-and-prince.html" rel="nofollow">your own comments aren&#8217;t improving</a>, Bagsus, are they? Weren&#8217;t you recently saying how you thought that the crystal skulls were genuine until you saw a TV documentary?</p>
<p>I would not be too surprised if some of the material is new to some people (it was to me). Plus, almost nothing to do with homeopathy is new and yet that is still a matter of interest to some.</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
	<item>
		<title>By: Bagsus</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2008/08/20/the-elmhurst-epidemic-classic-example-of-the-cultural-and-scientific-clash-between-cam-and-medicine/comment-page-1/#comment-11218</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bagsus]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 20 Aug 2008 11:27:26 +0000</pubDate>
		<guid isPermaLink="false">http://holfordwatch.wordpress.com/?p=1107#comment-11218</guid>
		<description><![CDATA[This is hardly new info,and where is the COM involvement?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is hardly new info,and where is the COM involvement?</p>
]]></content:encoded>
	</item>
</channel>
</rss>

