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	<title>Comments on: Patrick Holford Visited All the Major Nutritional Research Centres in the United States: or so he claimed in 1985</title>
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		<title>By: LeeT</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 20:01:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, I asked him what he was up between graduating in 1979 and setting up the ION in 1984.

I asked him to confirm he did not study for a qualification at Abram Hoffer&#039;s institution or anywhere else. He did and then went on to say that what he did in America and what he has been doing for the last thirty years is reading what other people have said about nutrition.  THAT is how he picked up his skills. In fact, he declared that by 1983 he had a waiting list three months long. People were asking him to teach them what he knew so he decided to set up his own training institute.

It sounds to me like he visited the libraries and possibly arranged to see academic researchers. We know for sure that he managed to meet Abram Hoffer and Carl Pfeiffer.  How did he do so?  Who knows. My guess is he wrote to people in advance:  

&quot;I am a young British psychology graduate from the University of York, one of my country&#039;s top universities. Currently I am researching the effect of nutrition on mental health. It has come to my attention that you are one of the world&#039;s leading authorities on nutrition and mental health.  I am travelling to the United States to try  to make contact with the leading researchers in this field. Unfortunately, the medical establishment in my country is so far behind.  I would be very grateful if you could spare me an hour of your time and possibly I could take some of your insights back home with me in an attempt to change things for the better.&quot;  Who could resist such a flattering letter?  What harm would it do to meet the enthusisastic young Brit for a mint herbal tea?

With the help of contacts at York and elsewhere it would presumably have been easy to get a library pass.

&lt;b&gt;Admin edit: possibly, but that would be a very different kettle of fish to what most people would imagine to be meant by the reassurance that someone had visited all the major nutritional centres etc. But, yes, plausible.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, I asked him what he was up between graduating in 1979 and setting up the ION in 1984.</p>
<p>I asked him to confirm he did not study for a qualification at Abram Hoffer&#8217;s institution or anywhere else. He did and then went on to say that what he did in America and what he has been doing for the last thirty years is reading what other people have said about nutrition.  THAT is how he picked up his skills. In fact, he declared that by 1983 he had a waiting list three months long. People were asking him to teach them what he knew so he decided to set up his own training institute.</p>
<p>It sounds to me like he visited the libraries and possibly arranged to see academic researchers. We know for sure that he managed to meet Abram Hoffer and Carl Pfeiffer.  How did he do so?  Who knows. My guess is he wrote to people in advance:  </p>
<p>&#8220;I am a young British psychology graduate from the University of York, one of my country&#8217;s top universities. Currently I am researching the effect of nutrition on mental health. It has come to my attention that you are one of the world&#8217;s leading authorities on nutrition and mental health.  I am travelling to the United States to try  to make contact with the leading researchers in this field. Unfortunately, the medical establishment in my country is so far behind.  I would be very grateful if you could spare me an hour of your time and possibly I could take some of your insights back home with me in an attempt to change things for the better.&#8221;  Who could resist such a flattering letter?  What harm would it do to meet the enthusisastic young Brit for a mint herbal tea?</p>
<p>With the help of contacts at York and elsewhere it would presumably have been easy to get a library pass.</p>
<p><b>Admin edit: possibly, but that would be a very different kettle of fish to what most people would imagine to be meant by the reassurance that someone had visited all the major nutritional centres etc. But, yes, plausible.</b></p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Oct 2008 11:09:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Did you give the time range, Lee? Before 1985? And just where had he picked up all those mental health and nutrition skills?

But, this is all sounding very odd. I know that universities etc. tend to be quite open to visits from scholars, but you normally have to give a lecture to them in return, and you typically have to be from an educational institution yourself unless the past really is another country. Holford wasn&#039;t affiliated to an academic institution during that time.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did you give the time range, Lee? Before 1985? And just where had he picked up all those mental health and nutrition skills?</p>
<p>But, this is all sounding very odd. I know that universities etc. tend to be quite open to visits from scholars, but you normally have to give a lecture to them in return, and you typically have to be from an educational institution yourself unless the past really is another country. Holford wasn&#8217;t affiliated to an academic institution during that time.</p>
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		<title>By: LeeT</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Oct 2008 22:54:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Believe it or not I got the opportunity to ask this question to the man himself a couple of hours ago. 

I asked him what he was doing at all the major American nutritional research centres. He reminded me that he had been spending the last thirty years reading about and researching nutrition.  He said he had visited the institutions to find out the latest research on nutrition. That implied he was visiting the libraries.  Possibly he also managed to meet some resarchers as well, but unfortunately I only got the chance to speak to him for a few minutes so was not able to press him any further.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Believe it or not I got the opportunity to ask this question to the man himself a couple of hours ago. </p>
<p>I asked him what he was doing at all the major American nutritional research centres. He reminded me that he had been spending the last thirty years reading about and researching nutrition.  He said he had visited the institutions to find out the latest research on nutrition. That implied he was visiting the libraries.  Possibly he also managed to meet some resarchers as well, but unfortunately I only got the chance to speak to him for a few minutes so was not able to press him any further.</p>
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		<title>By: draust</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 20:41:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;Perhaps ex-professor Holford’s life could be made in to a film?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Presumably with the  soundtrack album to be called &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pills_%27n%27_Thrills_and_Bellyaches&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Pills and Thrills and Bellyaches&quot;&lt;/a&gt; - though the real record deserves better.

Of course, the question for the Holford version would be whether the Bellyaches were due to overdosing on Vitamin C or to colonic irrigation &quot;detox-ing&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>Perhaps ex-professor Holford’s life could be made in to a film?</p></blockquote>
<p>Presumably with the  soundtrack album to be called <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pills_%27n%27_Thrills_and_Bellyaches" rel="nofollow">Pills and Thrills and Bellyaches&#8221;</a> &#8211; though the real record deserves better.</p>
<p>Of course, the question for the Holford version would be whether the Bellyaches were due to overdosing on Vitamin C or to colonic irrigation &#8220;detox-ing&#8221;.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 11:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Continuing the health in times of austerity theme, I&#039;ve often heard comments to the effect that children born during the food-rationing postwar years were better nourished than those born in more prosperous times. A bit of googling suggests &lt;a href=&quot;http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=6&amp;fid=625840&amp;jid=&amp;volumeId=&amp;issueId=04&amp;aid=554172&amp;fulltextType=RA&amp;fileId=S1368980099000725&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;this comparative study&lt;/a&gt; might be the source of such reports.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Continuing the health in times of austerity theme, I&#8217;ve often heard comments to the effect that children born during the food-rationing postwar years were better nourished than those born in more prosperous times. A bit of googling suggests <a href="http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayFulltext?type=6&amp;fid=625840&amp;jid=&amp;volumeId=&amp;issueId=04&amp;aid=554172&amp;fulltextType=RA&amp;fileId=S1368980099000725" rel="nofollow">this comparative study</a> might be the source of such reports.</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 09:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Possible pointers to information about &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/07/health/07well.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;health during the Great Depression and periods of economic downturn&lt;/a&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Possible pointers to information about <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/07/health/07well.html" rel="nofollow">health during the Great Depression and periods of economic downturn</a>.</p>
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		<title>By: Claire</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Claire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 07:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Going slightly off-topic but it&#039;s interesting that the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.food.gov.uk/science/dietarysurveys/lidnsbranch/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Low Income and Diet Survey&lt;/a&gt;, as reported on the FSA site, found &quot;Average daily intakes of all vitamins from food sources, with the exception of vitamins A and D, were above or close to the required recommended intake for men and women in all age groups&quot;, whereas an article (in press) in the &lt;a href=&quot;http://jpubhealth.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/fdn076&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Journal of Public Health&lt;/a&gt;, based on the same data, concludes &quot;Health professionals need to be aware that poor vitamin C status is relatively common among adults living on a low income&quot;.  ( don&#039;t have access to the full text -  paywall)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Going slightly off-topic but it&#8217;s interesting that the <a href="http://www.food.gov.uk/science/dietarysurveys/lidnsbranch/" rel="nofollow">Low Income and Diet Survey</a>, as reported on the FSA site, found &#8220;Average daily intakes of all vitamins from food sources, with the exception of vitamins A and D, were above or close to the required recommended intake for men and women in all age groups&#8221;, whereas an article (in press) in the <a href="http://jpubhealth.oxfordjournals.org/cgi/content/abstract/fdn076" rel="nofollow">Journal of Public Health</a>, based on the same data, concludes &#8220;Health professionals need to be aware that poor vitamin C status is relatively common among adults living on a low income&#8221;.  ( don&#8217;t have access to the full text &#8211;  paywall)</p>
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		<title>By: LeeT</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LeeT]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:51:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Perhaps ex-professor Holford&#039;s life could be made in to a film?

&quot;He rose without trace. A man with a mission. A man with some pills. But could anyone stop him?&quot;  Appearing at a health food store near you soon!

OPTIMUM NUTRITION - YOU KNOW IT MOCKS SENSE ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps ex-professor Holford&#8217;s life could be made in to a film?</p>
<p>&#8220;He rose without trace. A man with a mission. A man with some pills. But could anyone stop him?&#8221;  Appearing at a health food store near you soon!</p>
<p>OPTIMUM NUTRITION &#8211; YOU KNOW IT MOCKS SENSE &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://holfordwatch.info/2008/10/06/patent-medicines-in-the-uk-entrepreneurs-remain-the-same-and-sometimes-the-products-arent-that-different/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;British patent medicine entrepreneurs and health obsessives&lt;/a&gt; with some interesting similarities to modern day figures.

BBC on &lt;a href=&quot;http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7649970.stm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;illusions and superstitions at times of stress&lt;/a&gt;.

On the vitamin and mineral supplements front - I have an uneasy feeling that some of the hyperbolic coverage of what the credit crunch means for families is leading a very small number of people to think that they might be better off eating cheap, nutrient-depleted food and then supplementing (I can&#039;t comment on the quality but some supplements are pennies). Plus, in times of stress, if smokers are feeling the pinch for their disposable income but they feel that this is the wrong time to give up smoking, I don&#039;t know if they too might compromise on food as an &#039;economy&#039; and try to make up for it in other ways. 

To quote &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badscience.net/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ben Goldacre&lt;/a&gt;&#039;s &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0007240198?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=holfwatc-21&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1634&amp;creative=6738&amp;creativeASIN=0007240198&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;i&gt;Bad Science&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/a&gt;, pg. 62: &quot;We are human, we are irrational, we have foibles&quot;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://holfordwatch.info/2008/10/06/patent-medicines-in-the-uk-entrepreneurs-remain-the-same-and-sometimes-the-products-arent-that-different/" rel="nofollow">British patent medicine entrepreneurs and health obsessives</a> with some interesting similarities to modern day figures.</p>
<p>BBC on <a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/health/7649970.stm" rel="nofollow">illusions and superstitions at times of stress</a>.</p>
<p>On the vitamin and mineral supplements front &#8211; I have an uneasy feeling that some of the hyperbolic coverage of what the credit crunch means for families is leading a very small number of people to think that they might be better off eating cheap, nutrient-depleted food and then supplementing (I can&#8217;t comment on the quality but some supplements are pennies). Plus, in times of stress, if smokers are feeling the pinch for their disposable income but they feel that this is the wrong time to give up smoking, I don&#8217;t know if they too might compromise on food as an &#8216;economy&#8217; and try to make up for it in other ways. </p>
<p>To quote <a href="http://www.badscience.net/" rel="nofollow">Ben Goldacre</a>&#8216;s <a href="http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/0007240198?ie=UTF8&amp;tag=holfwatc-21&amp;linkCode=as2&amp;camp=1634&amp;creative=6738&amp;creativeASIN=0007240198" rel="nofollow"><i>Bad Science</i></a>, pg. 62: &#8220;We are human, we are irrational, we have foibles&#8221;.</p>
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