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	<title>Comments on: Some Rebuttals to Jeni Barnett&#8217;s Canards in Her LBC Radio MMR Segment</title>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is sometimes difficult to explain to people that just because they don&#039;t know about something it doesn&#039;t mean that it doesn&#039;t exist.

Sometimes, it feels like one of those endless games that you play with a baby. Hide and Seek where the baby covers her eyes and thinks that because she can&#039;t see you, you can&#039;t see her.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is sometimes difficult to explain to people that just because they don&#8217;t know about something it doesn&#8217;t mean that it doesn&#8217;t exist.</p>
<p>Sometimes, it feels like one of those endless games that you play with a baby. Hide and Seek where the baby covers her eyes and thinks that because she can&#8217;t see you, you can&#8217;t see her.</p>
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		<title>By: Martha</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Martha]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:12:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Excellent collection of links that will be very helpful the next time this comes up on a parenting forum I visit - which is all the time.

I can see how people can get irritated when others keep saying that no studies have been done and yet there are hundreds.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excellent collection of links that will be very helpful the next time this comes up on a parenting forum I visit &#8211; which is all the time.</p>
<p>I can see how people can get irritated when others keep saying that no studies have been done and yet there are hundreds.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeni Barnett, LBC and Global Radio, MMR Segment 7 Jan 2009 and the Ben Goldacre Coverage: Part 2 &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeni Barnett, LBC and Global Radio, MMR Segment 7 Jan 2009 and the Ben Goldacre Coverage: Part 2 &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] suggestion that we should consider reverting to single jabs is not well-made out for some of the reasons that we previously discussed and it was disingenuous of Andrew Wakefield to resurrect that suggestion as a solution to averting [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] suggestion that we should consider reverting to single jabs is not well-made out for some of the reasons that we previously discussed and it was disingenuous of Andrew Wakefield to resurrect that suggestion as a solution to averting [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeni Barnett and the Missing Blog Posts About MMR Segment on LBC Radio &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeni Barnett and the Missing Blog Posts About MMR Segment on LBC Radio &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:21:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] put a lot of thought into giving you the information that you seemed to request in response to your errors. There was no need to delete those comments. As Ciaran rather charmingly remarked, relatively [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Goldacre / Jeni Barnett case made Start the Week on Radio 4: Latest &#124; The Wardman Wire</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ben Goldacre / Jeni Barnett case made Start the Week on Radio 4: Latest &#124; The Wardman Wire]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 09:15:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Ben Goldacre / Jeni Barnett case about LBC&#8217;s attempt to remove a recording of a phone-in from one of their shows from the [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: themilligan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[themilligan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 23:02:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My apologies guys! Should have checked the rest of your pages first - and I would&#039;ve seen that you had this covered in your usual excellent style. Have posted an update to my blog, giving you full credit for the excellent work!

&lt;b&gt;Admin edit: heh, the more coverage this gets, the better. Nice work.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My apologies guys! Should have checked the rest of your pages first &#8211; and I would&#8217;ve seen that you had this covered in your usual excellent style. Have posted an update to my blog, giving you full credit for the excellent work!</p>
<p><b>Admin edit: heh, the more coverage this gets, the better. Nice work.</b></p>
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		<title>By: themilligan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[themilligan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 22:51:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Cross-posted at... 

http://themilligan.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/jeni-barnett-aka-the-lbc-idiot-no-debate-here/

Well now, following the debacle of her recent broadcast, in which the LBC Idiot and Vaccination Denier managed to make a complete and total fool of herself, she now reveals herself to be one of the biggest hypocrites I&#039;ve ever come across.

As at about 22:00 UK time on 8th February 2009, the blog post http://www.jenibarnett.com/2009/02/mmr_and_me.php consisted of more than 100 posts, including at least one entry purporting to be from the disgraced medic Andrew Wakefield...

18. At February 5, 2009 7:50 PM Andy Wakefield wrote:

&quot;Dear Jeni,

I would like to send you a pdf that may help you with any hostility from the MMR posting. Do you have a email adrdress that I can send it to?&quot;

http://www.jenibarnett.com/2009/02/mmr_and_me.php

But don&#039;t bother clicking on any of the links I&#039;ve put in on my blog post, because the (in her own words) &quot;responsible... professional broadcaster&quot;, has removed  all traces of the blog posts recording her failure as a broadcaster, professional anything or even responsible human-being.

Now, all we have is a post which, in one part, states...

I am interested in the debate not a witch hunt.

Should anybody from BAD SCIENCE read this I urge you to continue the debate, and if it gets too heated there is always the option of turning me off.

Posted by Jeni in &#124; 5 February 2009

Of course you wanted the debate Jeni, that&#039;s why you deleted it!! Elesewhere on her blog, Barmy Barnett states...

Acting is all about honesty, if you can fake that you can fake anything.

UK TV presenter Jeni Barnett&#039;s blog.

You can say that again. Carry on faking the honesty Jeni, you&#039;ve shown yourself up to be exactly what you are.

You call Ben Goldacre a &quot;Bad Scientist&quot; - what kind of broadcaster, journalist or even person does this show you to be?

I will attempt to cross-post this entry to Jeni&#039;s blog - like my last two cross-posts, I&#039;ll put a fiver on it never showing up over there.

==========================

This is also interesting. Guess what you get when you try and post to her blog entry, a message stating...

&quot;Somehow, the entry you tried to comment on does not exist.&quot; 

Just about sums it all up really doesn&#039;t it? Idiocy and ignorance masquerading as public service broadcasting, hypocrisy and deceit masquerading as open debate.

&lt;b&gt;Admin edit: strangely, neither &lt;a href=&quot;http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/09/jeni-barnett-has-the-streisand-effect-taught-you-and-lbc-radio-nothing/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jeni Barnett nor LBC Radio seem to have learned much from their immersive exposure to the Streisand Effect&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cross-posted at&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://themilligan.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/jeni-barnett-aka-the-lbc-idiot-no-debate-here/" rel="nofollow">http://themilligan.wordpress.com/2009/02/09/jeni-barnett-aka-the-lbc-idiot-no-debate-here/</a></p>
<p>Well now, following the debacle of her recent broadcast, in which the LBC Idiot and Vaccination Denier managed to make a complete and total fool of herself, she now reveals herself to be one of the biggest hypocrites I&#8217;ve ever come across.</p>
<p>As at about 22:00 UK time on 8th February 2009, the blog post <a href="http://www.jenibarnett.com/2009/02/mmr_and_me.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.jenibarnett.com/2009/02/mmr_and_me.php</a> consisted of more than 100 posts, including at least one entry purporting to be from the disgraced medic Andrew Wakefield&#8230;</p>
<p>18. At February 5, 2009 7:50 PM Andy Wakefield wrote:</p>
<p>&#8220;Dear Jeni,</p>
<p>I would like to send you a pdf that may help you with any hostility from the MMR posting. Do you have a email adrdress that I can send it to?&#8221;</p>
<p><a href="http://www.jenibarnett.com/2009/02/mmr_and_me.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.jenibarnett.com/2009/02/mmr_and_me.php</a></p>
<p>But don&#8217;t bother clicking on any of the links I&#8217;ve put in on my blog post, because the (in her own words) &#8220;responsible&#8230; professional broadcaster&#8221;, has removed  all traces of the blog posts recording her failure as a broadcaster, professional anything or even responsible human-being.</p>
<p>Now, all we have is a post which, in one part, states&#8230;</p>
<p>I am interested in the debate not a witch hunt.</p>
<p>Should anybody from BAD SCIENCE read this I urge you to continue the debate, and if it gets too heated there is always the option of turning me off.</p>
<p>Posted by Jeni in | 5 February 2009</p>
<p>Of course you wanted the debate Jeni, that&#8217;s why you deleted it!! Elesewhere on her blog, Barmy Barnett states&#8230;</p>
<p>Acting is all about honesty, if you can fake that you can fake anything.</p>
<p>UK TV presenter Jeni Barnett&#8217;s blog.</p>
<p>You can say that again. Carry on faking the honesty Jeni, you&#8217;ve shown yourself up to be exactly what you are.</p>
<p>You call Ben Goldacre a &#8220;Bad Scientist&#8221; &#8211; what kind of broadcaster, journalist or even person does this show you to be?</p>
<p>I will attempt to cross-post this entry to Jeni&#8217;s blog &#8211; like my last two cross-posts, I&#8217;ll put a fiver on it never showing up over there.</p>
<p>==========================</p>
<p>This is also interesting. Guess what you get when you try and post to her blog entry, a message stating&#8230;</p>
<p>&#8220;Somehow, the entry you tried to comment on does not exist.&#8221; </p>
<p>Just about sums it all up really doesn&#8217;t it? Idiocy and ignorance masquerading as public service broadcasting, hypocrisy and deceit masquerading as open debate.</p>
<p><b>Admin edit: strangely, neither <a href="http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/09/jeni-barnett-has-the-streisand-effect-taught-you-and-lbc-radio-nothing/" rel="nofollow">Jeni Barnett nor LBC Radio seem to have learned much from their immersive exposure to the Streisand Effect</a>.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Svetlana Pertsovich</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Svetlana Pertsovich]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 11:50:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Decuman protective role of vaccination.

http://dinoquest-3.blogspot.com/2009/02/epidemics-of-measles-in-world-great.html]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Decuman protective role of vaccination.</p>
<p><a href="http://dinoquest-3.blogspot.com/2009/02/epidemics-of-measles-in-world-great.html" rel="nofollow">http://dinoquest-3.blogspot.com/2009/02/epidemics-of-measles-in-world-great.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: themilligan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[themilligan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The above comment was cross-posted at... 

http://www.jenibarnett.com/2009/02/mmr_and_me.php

and at... 

http://themilligan.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/jeni-barnett-and-her-anti-vaccine-drivel-revisited/

I just ran through her blog post with the supposed &quot;apology&quot; - which really just amounted to &quot;sorry I know nothing, but I&#039;m right anyway&quot;. 

Remains to be seen if it appears on her blog.

Anyway, brilliant job you&#039;re doing guys, keep it up!!

&lt;b&gt;Admin edit: thank you.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The above comment was cross-posted at&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://www.jenibarnett.com/2009/02/mmr_and_me.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.jenibarnett.com/2009/02/mmr_and_me.php</a></p>
<p>and at&#8230; </p>
<p><a href="http://themilligan.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/jeni-barnett-and-her-anti-vaccine-drivel-revisited/" rel="nofollow">http://themilligan.wordpress.com/2009/02/08/jeni-barnett-and-her-anti-vaccine-drivel-revisited/</a></p>
<p>I just ran through her blog post with the supposed &#8220;apology&#8221; &#8211; which really just amounted to &#8220;sorry I know nothing, but I&#8217;m right anyway&#8221;. </p>
<p>Remains to be seen if it appears on her blog.</p>
<p>Anyway, brilliant job you&#8217;re doing guys, keep it up!!</p>
<p><b>Admin edit: thank you.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Jeni Barnett and her anti-vaccine drivel revisited. &#171; The Milligan</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 08 Feb 2009 00:30:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] doing such a great job of tearing Jeni Barnett’s broadcast into little logical fallacies, e.g. The Holford Watch - Some Rebuttals to Jeni Barnett’s Canards in Her LBC Radio MMR Segment (incidentally a great job with the blog watching guys, you were really all over this one), I [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] doing such a great job of tearing Jeni Barnett’s broadcast into little logical fallacies, e.g. The Holford Watch &#8211; Some Rebuttals to Jeni Barnett’s Canards in Her LBC Radio MMR Segment (incidentally a great job with the blog watching guys, you were really all over this one), I [...]</p>
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