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	<title>Comments on: Brian Deer Discusses Andrew Wakefield in the Sunday Times: Many Updates</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew Wakefield Lodges Complaint About Brian Deer with Press Complaints Commission &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Andrew Wakefield Lodges Complaint About Brian Deer with Press Complaints Commission &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Mar 2009 11:56:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Comments  Dr Andrew Wakefield&#8217;s submission to the Press Complaints Commission complaining of Brian Deer&#8217;s recent revelations in Sunday Times. These allegations are false and/or misleading and will have a hugely adverse effect on my [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Comments  Dr Andrew Wakefield&#8217;s submission to the Press Complaints Commission complaining of Brian Deer&#8217;s recent revelations in Sunday Times. These allegations are false and/or misleading and will have a hugely adverse effect on my [...]</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/08/brian-deer-discusses-andrew-wakefield-in-the-sunday-times/comment-page-3/#comment-16841</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 11:10:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s surprising who knew what and when but didn&#039;t speak up about it. I found a reference to criticism of Andrew Wakefield&#039;s PCR work (the technique by which he claimed to have identified measles virus in the gut) as early as 1992. In the same year as the infamous &lt;i&gt;Lancet&lt;/i&gt; paper, other researchers published full and evidenced criticism of his previous measles work with Crohn&#039;s Disease.

Agreed on Brian Deer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s surprising who knew what and when but didn&#8217;t speak up about it. I found a reference to criticism of Andrew Wakefield&#8217;s PCR work (the technique by which he claimed to have identified measles virus in the gut) as early as 1992. In the same year as the infamous <i>Lancet</i> paper, other researchers published full and evidenced criticism of his previous measles work with Crohn&#8217;s Disease.</p>
<p>Agreed on Brian Deer.</p>
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		<title>By: mir78</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/08/brian-deer-discusses-andrew-wakefield-in-the-sunday-times/comment-page-3/#comment-16823</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[mir78]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Mar 2009 03:59:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian Deer must deserve an award for this - he has done far more to inform the public about why Wakefield&#039;s work can not be relied upon than any doctor.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian Deer must deserve an award for this &#8211; he has done far more to inform the public about why Wakefield&#8217;s work can not be relied upon than any doctor.</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/08/brian-deer-discusses-andrew-wakefield-in-the-sunday-times/comment-page-2/#comment-16378</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 20:51:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;blockquote&gt;I am the public. How am I supposed to arrive at an informed opinion if people knowingly withhold relevant information from me?&lt;/blockquote&gt;Yes. It is impossible to check out everything so we are back to the issue of trust and trusting others to verify. But people trusted Dr Wakefield.

I have no idea what the solution would be.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>I am the public. How am I supposed to arrive at an informed opinion if people knowingly withhold relevant information from me?</p></blockquote>
<p>Yes. It is impossible to check out everything so we are back to the issue of trust and trusting others to verify. But people trusted Dr Wakefield.</p>
<p>I have no idea what the solution would be.</p>
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		<title>By: Randall</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/08/brian-deer-discusses-andrew-wakefield-in-the-sunday-times/comment-page-2/#comment-16362</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Randall]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 16:32:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I see more reason to trust Brian Deer than Andy Wakefield but he does need to publish the evidence.

There&#039;s too much concealment. It looks like a lot of doctors thought that Wakefield&#039;s work was dubious but couldn&#039;t or wouldn&#039;t say it in public. Brian Deer has this information that is hidden from the public and might remain so even though nobody is contradicting him - just saying that he shouldn&#039;t have told the public.

I am the public. How am I supposed to arrive at an informed opinion if people knowingly withhold relevant information from me?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see more reason to trust Brian Deer than Andy Wakefield but he does need to publish the evidence.</p>
<p>There&#8217;s too much concealment. It looks like a lot of doctors thought that Wakefield&#8217;s work was dubious but couldn&#8217;t or wouldn&#8217;t say it in public. Brian Deer has this information that is hidden from the public and might remain so even though nobody is contradicting him &#8211; just saying that he shouldn&#8217;t have told the public.</p>
<p>I am the public. How am I supposed to arrive at an informed opinion if people knowingly withhold relevant information from me?</p>
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		<title>By: ivanl</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/08/brian-deer-discusses-andrew-wakefield-in-the-sunday-times/comment-page-2/#comment-16265</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[ivanl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Mar 2009 13:27:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Patrick Holford and Andy Wakefield would be cosy and collegial. They are symbiotes on each other so they can parasitise others.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Patrick Holford and Andy Wakefield would be cosy and collegial. They are symbiotes on each other so they can parasitise others.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael and Vanessa</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/08/brian-deer-discusses-andrew-wakefield-in-the-sunday-times/comment-page-2/#comment-15472</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Michael and Vanessa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 21:26:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[AVP, I had never seen the potential problems of congenital rubella syndrome expressed so clearly.

I&#039;m going to send this round.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>AVP, I had never seen the potential problems of congenital rubella syndrome expressed so clearly.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to send this round.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Anne</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/08/brian-deer-discusses-andrew-wakefield-in-the-sunday-times/comment-page-2/#comment-15465</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlotte Anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 18:15:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The more that I learn about Brian Deer and his persistence in following all this up, the more I hope he is nominated for a heap of awards for his journalism and invited to give lectures at journalism schools throughout the English-speaking world.

]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The more that I learn about Brian Deer and his persistence in following all this up, the more I hope he is nominated for a heap of awards for his journalism and invited to give lectures at journalism schools throughout the English-speaking world.</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Anne</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/08/brian-deer-discusses-andrew-wakefield-in-the-sunday-times/comment-page-2/#comment-15384</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlotte Anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 22:28:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking at the links and what bloggers are expressing is like the scene from Airplane where everyone is lining up to slap the hysterical woman.

There is a lot of anger, both towards Andrew Wakefield and those who passed on his message but also towards the self for being taken in.

So many people think that they are naturally skeptic but underneath, it&#039;s  like the saying about cynicism, &quot;a cynic is a romantic who&#039;s been hurt before.&quot; Unless more of us acquire some critical thinking skills, there&#039;s a danger we&#039;ll still be suckered in by the next scientific savior who comes along, oozing quiet authority and charisma.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the links and what bloggers are expressing is like the scene from Airplane where everyone is lining up to slap the hysterical woman.</p>
<p>There is a lot of anger, both towards Andrew Wakefield and those who passed on his message but also towards the self for being taken in.</p>
<p>So many people think that they are naturally skeptic but underneath, it&#8217;s  like the saying about cynicism, &#8220;a cynic is a romantic who&#8217;s been hurt before.&#8221; Unless more of us acquire some critical thinking skills, there&#8217;s a danger we&#8217;ll still be suckered in by the next scientific savior who comes along, oozing quiet authority and charisma.</p>
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		<title>By: sensible girl</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/08/brian-deer-discusses-andrew-wakefield-in-the-sunday-times/comment-page-2/#comment-15340</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[sensible girl]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 23 Feb 2009 15:16:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[it&#039;s understandable that no-one wants to accept that they were duped, that&#039;s how all cults keep their followers long after they&#039;ve been discredited.

you will never dissuade true believers but there is an opportunity to make it more difficult to recruit others to their cult by lifting the curtain and exposing the man behind it.

you&#039;re probably hoping it is rational argument that would sway the undecided. no, it&#039;s stuff everyone understands that wins hearts and minds here - fraud, financial self-interest. that stuff&#039;s even more compelling that plain old incompetence that might have led to the notebook changes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>it&#8217;s understandable that no-one wants to accept that they were duped, that&#8217;s how all cults keep their followers long after they&#8217;ve been discredited.</p>
<p>you will never dissuade true believers but there is an opportunity to make it more difficult to recruit others to their cult by lifting the curtain and exposing the man behind it.</p>
<p>you&#8217;re probably hoping it is rational argument that would sway the undecided. no, it&#8217;s stuff everyone understands that wins hearts and minds here &#8211; fraud, financial self-interest. that stuff&#8217;s even more compelling that plain old incompetence that might have led to the notebook changes.</p>
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