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	<title>Comments on: Andrew Wakefield Responds to Brian Deer: Summary, &#8220;I regret nothing&#8230;Single jabs are the way ahead&#8221;</title>
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		<title>By: jaws</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/09/andrew-wakefield-responds-to-brian-deer-summary-i-regret-nothingsingle-jabs-are-the-way-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-16446</link>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Mar 2009 15:05:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Single vaccines are the way ahead if you are the doctor looking to make money out of giving them and can not be held liable for any outbreaks if people don&#039;t follow through on an immunization schedule.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Single vaccines are the way ahead if you are the doctor looking to make money out of giving them and can not be held liable for any outbreaks if people don&#8217;t follow through on an immunization schedule.</p>
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		<title>By: Wulfstan</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/09/andrew-wakefield-responds-to-brian-deer-summary-i-regret-nothingsingle-jabs-are-the-way-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-15844</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Wulfstan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 14:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[His upcoming book (&lt;i&gt;A Lesser Truth&lt;/i&gt; - why equivocate, why not call it, &lt;i&gt;My Life and Times - nothing like the truth: a self-justification)&lt;/i&gt;) will probably contain lots of references to alleged burglaries, like that ridiculous teenage-starstruck-fan piece by &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.badscience.net/2003/12/mmr-never-mind-the-facts/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Ruth Picardie who was so taken with Andy&#039;s glossy hair and his lovely, likeable family&lt;/a&gt;.

You&#039;re right. Even if Wakefield did a Madoff, his loyalest supporters wouldn&#039;t believe it. If they accepted his family was not sequestered or under threat, they&#039;d probably claim Wakefield had been given an umbrella full of MMR and mysterious forces are now controlling his brain and forcing him to say these things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His upcoming book (<i>A Lesser Truth</i> &#8211; why equivocate, why not call it, <i>My Life and Times &#8211; nothing like the truth: a self-justification)</i>) will probably contain lots of references to alleged burglaries, like that ridiculous teenage-starstruck-fan piece by <a href="http://www.badscience.net/2003/12/mmr-never-mind-the-facts/" rel="nofollow">Ruth Picardie who was so taken with Andy&#8217;s glossy hair and his lovely, likeable family</a>.</p>
<p>You&#8217;re right. Even if Wakefield did a Madoff, his loyalest supporters wouldn&#8217;t believe it. If they accepted his family was not sequestered or under threat, they&#8217;d probably claim Wakefield had been given an umbrella full of MMR and mysterious forces are now controlling his brain and forcing him to say these things.</p>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:59:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came across a good comment somewhere along the lines that if Bernie Madoff hadn&#039;t confessed, the clients he had duped would be lining up to say that he was being persecuted by the authorities for being too successful.

Even if Andrew Wakefield put up his hands and confessed, there would be all sorts of conspiracy theories about his family being got at or kidnapped or such. 

It happened during the Autism Omnibus Proceedings, one of the Petitioners&#039; &#039;expert witnesses&#039; was so bad that leading anti-vax figure, &lt;a href=&quot;http://breathspakids.blogspot.com/2007/07/observer-mmr-story-has-disappeared-from.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Sherri Tenpenny&lt;/a&gt; was forced to spin a remarkable theory.&lt;blockquote&gt;Ya have to wonder if someone got to her or threatened her kids by her response. Absolutely unbelievable and I would suspect was really unexpected by the Chin-Conway team or they wouldn&#039;t have put her on the stand. [NB Chin-Conway were the legal team for the petitioners.]&lt;/blockquote&gt;So, there is a precedent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came across a good comment somewhere along the lines that if Bernie Madoff hadn&#8217;t confessed, the clients he had duped would be lining up to say that he was being persecuted by the authorities for being too successful.</p>
<p>Even if Andrew Wakefield put up his hands and confessed, there would be all sorts of conspiracy theories about his family being got at or kidnapped or such. </p>
<p>It happened during the Autism Omnibus Proceedings, one of the Petitioners&#8217; &#8216;expert witnesses&#8217; was so bad that leading anti-vax figure, <a href="http://breathspakids.blogspot.com/2007/07/observer-mmr-story-has-disappeared-from.html" rel="nofollow">Sherri Tenpenny</a> was forced to spin a remarkable theory.<br />
<blockquote>Ya have to wonder if someone got to her or threatened her kids by her response. Absolutely unbelievable and I would suspect was really unexpected by the Chin-Conway team or they wouldn&#8217;t have put her on the stand. [NB Chin-Conway were the legal team for the petitioners.]</p></blockquote>
<p>So, there is a precedent.</p>
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		<title>By: zack</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Feb 2009 13:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You know, as long as he sticks to that line it will probably work for him.

Conned people don&#039;t want to believe that they are conned. They will go to absurd lengths to defend him even if it does make them look ridiculous.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You know, as long as he sticks to that line it will probably work for him.</p>
<p>Conned people don&#8217;t want to believe that they are conned. They will go to absurd lengths to defend him even if it does make them look ridiculous.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrick Holford on Andrew Wakefield: He Needs to Issue an Update &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Holford on Andrew Wakefield: He Needs to Issue an Update &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 08:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] for single jabs, now that the concerns about MMR have been addressed so fully. There can be no justification for exposing children to the unnecessary risk of a prolonged schedule. A recent study of a measles outbreak in Germany (pdf) reports some sobering statistics. Measles [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] for single jabs, now that the concerns about MMR have been addressed so fully. There can be no justification for exposing children to the unnecessary risk of a prolonged schedule. A recent study of a measles outbreak in Germany (pdf) reports some sobering statistics. Measles [...]</p>
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		<title>By: draust</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 17:33:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think one of Wakefield&#039;s greatest misdeeds is the extent to which he mislead the parents. I know that one can argue that his bomb-proof self-belief means that he was totally sincere throughout, but.... 

- had the parents been told about his previous track record in trying to claim MMR caused another disease, and that that theory had been comprehensively rubbished, and indeed quietly dumped by the man himself;
- had they known about the patent applications and that Wakefield stood to make a lot of money out of proving the theory;
- had they really known he was not in any way properly qualified to give them paediatric medical advice;
- had they been clearly told that he and his views were &quot;well outside the mainstream&quot; and got the opposing view from someone else better qualified in paediatric gastroenterology... 

Anyway, I am sure it wouldn&#039;t have made any difference to some of the parents, possibly most of them, but it might have spared a few. How much time, energy and &quot;emotional capital&quot; have they invested in this doomed crusade? 

It has always been relatively easy for scientists and other doctors to see through Wakefield. Doctors know that bad doctors exist, because they&#039;ve seen them at work, and scientists know that bad scientists do, ditto. The overwhelming consensus in the trade since very early on has been:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;A bloke who wouldn&#039;t let inconvenient facts get in the way of his messianic belief in his right-ness, even to the extent of finagling the data&quot;. &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Nick Chadwick&#039;s revelations really just confirmed what everyone already suspected, which is why the new stuff, if confirmed, will come as no great  surprise except as demonstrating the extent and long-standing nature of it all.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think one of Wakefield&#8217;s greatest misdeeds is the extent to which he mislead the parents. I know that one can argue that his bomb-proof self-belief means that he was totally sincere throughout, but&#8230;. </p>
<p>- had the parents been told about his previous track record in trying to claim MMR caused another disease, and that that theory had been comprehensively rubbished, and indeed quietly dumped by the man himself;<br />
- had they known about the patent applications and that Wakefield stood to make a lot of money out of proving the theory;<br />
- had they really known he was not in any way properly qualified to give them paediatric medical advice;<br />
- had they been clearly told that he and his views were &#8220;well outside the mainstream&#8221; and got the opposing view from someone else better qualified in paediatric gastroenterology&#8230; </p>
<p>Anyway, I am sure it wouldn&#8217;t have made any difference to some of the parents, possibly most of them, but it might have spared a few. How much time, energy and &#8220;emotional capital&#8221; have they invested in this doomed crusade? </p>
<p>It has always been relatively easy for scientists and other doctors to see through Wakefield. Doctors know that bad doctors exist, because they&#8217;ve seen them at work, and scientists know that bad scientists do, ditto. The overwhelming consensus in the trade since very early on has been:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;A bloke who wouldn&#8217;t let inconvenient facts get in the way of his messianic belief in his right-ness, even to the extent of finagling the data&#8221;. </p></blockquote>
<p>Nick Chadwick&#8217;s revelations really just confirmed what everyone already suspected, which is why the new stuff, if confirmed, will come as no great  surprise except as demonstrating the extent and long-standing nature of it all.</p>
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		<title>By: Lizzie</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/09/andrew-wakefield-responds-to-brian-deer-summary-i-regret-nothingsingle-jabs-are-the-way-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-14884</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lizzie]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 13 Feb 2009 10:36:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I accept that truly great people usually say that they only achieved what they did through complete self-belief. Wakefield convinced himself and others (including me) that he is a great man. I suppose it&#039;s what sceptics usually call the Gallileo Gambit.

I read somewhere that one of the experts in the vaccine court hearings said that people like Wakefield had convinced parents that the sun moves around the earth.

It seems that nothing will make him change his opinion of himself.

I still can&#039;t believe I feel for it. I know lots of people will see the latest rulings as a cover-up but when you read these things in black and white it exposes them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I accept that truly great people usually say that they only achieved what they did through complete self-belief. Wakefield convinced himself and others (including me) that he is a great man. I suppose it&#8217;s what sceptics usually call the Gallileo Gambit.</p>
<p>I read somewhere that one of the experts in the vaccine court hearings said that people like Wakefield had convinced parents that the sun moves around the earth.</p>
<p>It seems that nothing will make him change his opinion of himself.</p>
<p>I still can&#8217;t believe I feel for it. I know lots of people will see the latest rulings as a cover-up but when you read these things in black and white it exposes them.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeni Barnett, LBC and Global Radio, MMR Segment 7 Jan 2009 and the Ben Goldacre Coverage: Part 2 &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/09/andrew-wakefield-responds-to-brian-deer-summary-i-regret-nothingsingle-jabs-are-the-way-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-14792</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Jeni Barnett, LBC and Global Radio, MMR Segment 7 Jan 2009 and the Ben Goldacre Coverage: Part 2 &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 19:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] not well-made out for some of the reasons that we previously discussed and it was disingenuous of Andrew Wakefield to resurrect that suggestion as a solution to averting a measles epidemic [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] not well-made out for some of the reasons that we previously discussed and it was disingenuous of Andrew Wakefield to resurrect that suggestion as a solution to averting a measles epidemic [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Jeni Barnett and the Missing Blog Posts About MMR Segment on LBC Radio &#171; Holford Watch: Patrick Holford, nutritionism and bad science</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/09/andrew-wakefield-responds-to-brian-deer-summary-i-regret-nothingsingle-jabs-are-the-way-ahead/comment-page-1/#comment-14781</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Feb 2009 15:19:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] a large extent, that fits the description of Tracy, anti-vaxer and homeopath) and seem to lionise Dr Andrew Wakefield whilst speaking with contempt of the Dept. of Health, Health Professionals such as Yasmin and many [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] a large extent, that fits the description of Tracy, anti-vaxer and homeopath) and seem to lionise Dr Andrew Wakefield whilst speaking with contempt of the Dept. of Health, Health Professionals such as Yasmin and many [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Pedant</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pedant]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 20:09:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;Brain Deer&quot;?

&lt;b&gt;Admin edit: if anyone doesn&#039;t get this, check the opening strap for the Wakefield letter. :-)&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Brain Deer&#8221;?</p>
<p><b>Admin edit: if anyone doesn&#8217;t get this, check the opening strap for the Wakefield letter. :-)</b></p>
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