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	<title>Comments on: Jeni Barnett and the Missing Blog Posts About MMR Segment on LBC Radio</title>
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	<description>The truth about Patrick Holford, media nutritionist</description>
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		<title>By: dvnutrix</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/10/jeni-barnett-and-the-missing-blog-posts-about-mmr-segment-on-lbc-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-16341</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[dvnutrix]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 14:07:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As far as we know, that&#039;s an accurate assessment of the current state of play. However, LBC and Global Radio would look very foolish if they were to decide to do something after such a period of inertia.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As far as we know, that&#8217;s an accurate assessment of the current state of play. However, LBC and Global Radio would look very foolish if they were to decide to do something after such a period of inertia.</p>
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		<title>By: Tristesse</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/10/jeni-barnett-and-the-missing-blog-posts-about-mmr-segment-on-lbc-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-16324</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tristesse]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Mar 2009 08:24:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This has all gone very quiet. I take it there have been no more exchanges but LBC has not withdrawn the threat of legal action although they are not making progress on it?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This has all gone very quiet. I take it there have been no more exchanges but LBC has not withdrawn the threat of legal action although they are not making progress on it?</p>
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		<title>By: Charlotte Anne</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Charlotte Anne]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Feb 2009 03:25:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The discussion about rubella has told me a lot that I didn&#039;t know. I&#039;m embarrassed to say that I was wondering what all the fuss was about because I&#039;m not the generation where I know anyone who has been through this. Ironically, that might be because previous generations were vaccinated.

I don&#039;t know my status but I will check.

There are toddlers whose preferred media input centres around The Weebles and anything with silly accents and brightly-coloured houses who display greater media savvy than LBC 97.3 and Global Radio. If I were their shareholders I&#039;d be asking why they didn&#039;t have a proper damage-limitation plan.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The discussion about rubella has told me a lot that I didn&#8217;t know. I&#8217;m embarrassed to say that I was wondering what all the fuss was about because I&#8217;m not the generation where I know anyone who has been through this. Ironically, that might be because previous generations were vaccinated.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t know my status but I will check.</p>
<p>There are toddlers whose preferred media input centres around The Weebles and anything with silly accents and brightly-coloured houses who display greater media savvy than LBC 97.3 and Global Radio. If I were their shareholders I&#8217;d be asking why they didn&#8217;t have a proper damage-limitation plan.</p>
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		<title>By: Kstar</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/10/jeni-barnett-and-the-missing-blog-posts-about-mmr-segment-on-lbc-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-15046</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Kstar]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 20 Feb 2009 17:49:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s like someone said on Start the Week you can&#039;t do this on the internet and there are editors and directors who have to move with the times and the new technology.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s like someone said on Start the Week you can&#8217;t do this on the internet and there are editors and directors who have to move with the times and the new technology.</p>
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		<title>By: hilda</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/10/jeni-barnett-and-the-missing-blog-posts-about-mmr-segment-on-lbc-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-14963</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[hilda]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 11:11:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Old media - meet the realities of new media. Embrace the reality of true interaction that is not mediated by the old ways of doing things or go under as people find podcasts that meet their needs and where they can interact with the presenters and talking heads.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Old media &#8211; meet the realities of new media. Embrace the reality of true interaction that is not mediated by the old ways of doing things or go under as people find podcasts that meet their needs and where they can interact with the presenters and talking heads.</p>
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		<title>By: Pilau</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/10/jeni-barnett-and-the-missing-blog-posts-about-mmr-segment-on-lbc-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-14961</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Pilau]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Feb 2009 08:59:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That was always going to work. Not. Doesn&#039;t this woman have children and grandchildren? Couldn&#039;t she have run this past them?

Can&#039;t think how they thought deleting was going to work. Actually, that&#039;s their problem - can&#039;t think.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That was always going to work. Not. Doesn&#8217;t this woman have children and grandchildren? Couldn&#8217;t she have run this past them?</p>
<p>Can&#8217;t think how they thought deleting was going to work. Actually, that&#8217;s their problem &#8211; can&#8217;t think.</p>
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		<title>By: LBC - laughable, blustering, canting (updated) &#171; Dr Aust&#8217;s Spleen</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/10/jeni-barnett-and-the-missing-blog-posts-about-mmr-segment-on-lbc-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-14868</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[LBC - laughable, blustering, canting (updated) &#171; Dr Aust&#8217;s Spleen]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 17:41:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] being raised around the web to LBC and Barnett’s agent - for example in the posts and comments at Holford Watch and Quackometer. LBC did not want to make an on-the-record [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] being raised around the web to LBC and Barnett’s agent &#8211; for example in the posts and comments at Holford Watch and Quackometer. LBC did not want to make an on-the-record [...]</p>
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		<title>By: salmagrundi</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/10/jeni-barnett-and-the-missing-blog-posts-about-mmr-segment-on-lbc-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-14862</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[salmagrundi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 16:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a PR disaster. LBC and Global Radio are behaving in an anachronistic manner that undermines their modern image.

They should talk to Goldacre and Yasmin and ask them onto the radio to give some correct guidance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a PR disaster. LBC and Global Radio are behaving in an anachronistic manner that undermines their modern image.</p>
<p>They should talk to Goldacre and Yasmin and ask them onto the radio to give some correct guidance.</p>
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		<title>By: Allo V Psycho</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/10/jeni-barnett-and-the-missing-blog-posts-about-mmr-segment-on-lbc-radio/comment-page-1/#comment-14858</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Allo V Psycho]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 14:50:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Most attention seems to have focussed on the dangers posed by measles.  However, perhaps because of my research background, I personally am most concerned about an outbreak of rubella (German measles). Because it generally presents as a relatively mild disease, it may not be detected in children or most adults. However, the consequences for infected pregnant women are devastating.  It is impossible to overstate the seriousness of the resulting Congenital Rubella Syndrome (CRS). The nature of the outcomes depend upon the stage of pregnancy, but include eye defects leading to affected eyesight or blindness, hearing defects leading to deafness, heart defects, mental retardation, and of course, fetal death. Fetal infection rates following maternal infection are estimated as 100% up to week 10 of pregnancy, with an estimated 90% of infected babies suffering malformation, with infection and abnormality rates decreasing but remaining significant in succeeding weeks. In the last major pandemic, in 1963-65, there were at least 13,000 early or fetal deaths, 20,000 infants born with major abnormalities, and 10,000 to 30,000 infants born with less severe abnormalities in the US alone. WHO estimates suggest there are currently at least 100,000 and possibly 200,000, babies born each year who are affected by CRS.

This dreadful scourge has almost been eliminated from the developed world by infant and childhood vaccination programmes. The vaccine is unusually effective, with seroconversion rates of as much as 98%, and long lasting persistence. It appears to be very safe, even when given to women who become pregnant shortly after the vaccination. However, paradoxically, this can place the population at greater risk if vaccination rates subsequently fall: a disease which was endemic can then become epidemic.

Epidemic risks are increased by the fact that the disease itself is often mild both in adults and in children. If it is undiagnosed, then sufferers may not be isolated from pregnant women. Some children remain infective for long periods after the symptoms have disappeared, and in the nature of things, young children are often in the same company as pregnant women.  

Reduced MMR uptake poses just such a risk. Given that no plausible evidence has been produced to suggest that the vaccine poses risks to child development, and that there is no possibility of doubting that the disease poses devastating risks to child development, I think it is tragic and regrettable that misguided parents are campaigning against MMR. When they have a child with a developmental disorder themselves, they are then in the position of campaigning for the promotion of developmental defects in others. In my opinion, ill informed media journalists, like Jeni Barnett, and pressure groups like JABS, must bear a significant share of responsibility for cases of CRS occurring over the next 10 or 20 years. 

References: too many to cite, really, but see for example Duszak RS (2009) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19111256?ordinalpos=2&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Congenital rubella syndrome – major review&lt;/a&gt;. Optometry 80: 36-43, and Robinson JL et al (2006) &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16775038?ordinalpos=2&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Prevention of congenital rubella syndrome – what makes sense in 2006?&lt;/a&gt; Epidemiologic Reviews 28: 81-87.

&lt;b&gt;Admin edit: quickly - thank you so much for this. Somewhere I have a stack of references on &lt;i&gt;Sense&lt;/i&gt; and CRS but I could only find a couple and they weren&#039;t right up to date - unlike the material you cite. We&#039;ve edited to make the citations clickable. Thank you.

We&#039;ve post links to the issue of vaccine safety in several posts but refer interested readers to the  latest article by Jeffrey Gerber and Paul Offit: &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/596476&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses&lt;/a&gt; and to AP Gaylard who has produced an &lt;a href=&quot;http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/the-science-museum-and-mmr/#offit&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;online version of some of the material concerning in Offit&#039;s book&lt;/a&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Autism&#039;s False Prophets&lt;/i&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Most attention seems to have focussed on the dangers posed by measles.  However, perhaps because of my research background, I personally am most concerned about an outbreak of rubella (German measles). Because it generally presents as a relatively mild disease, it may not be detected in children or most adults. However, the consequences for infected pregnant women are devastating.  It is impossible to overstate the seriousness of the resulting Congenital Rubella Syndrome (CRS). The nature of the outcomes depend upon the stage of pregnancy, but include eye defects leading to affected eyesight or blindness, hearing defects leading to deafness, heart defects, mental retardation, and of course, fetal death. Fetal infection rates following maternal infection are estimated as 100% up to week 10 of pregnancy, with an estimated 90% of infected babies suffering malformation, with infection and abnormality rates decreasing but remaining significant in succeeding weeks. In the last major pandemic, in 1963-65, there were at least 13,000 early or fetal deaths, 20,000 infants born with major abnormalities, and 10,000 to 30,000 infants born with less severe abnormalities in the US alone. WHO estimates suggest there are currently at least 100,000 and possibly 200,000, babies born each year who are affected by CRS.</p>
<p>This dreadful scourge has almost been eliminated from the developed world by infant and childhood vaccination programmes. The vaccine is unusually effective, with seroconversion rates of as much as 98%, and long lasting persistence. It appears to be very safe, even when given to women who become pregnant shortly after the vaccination. However, paradoxically, this can place the population at greater risk if vaccination rates subsequently fall: a disease which was endemic can then become epidemic.</p>
<p>Epidemic risks are increased by the fact that the disease itself is often mild both in adults and in children. If it is undiagnosed, then sufferers may not be isolated from pregnant women. Some children remain infective for long periods after the symptoms have disappeared, and in the nature of things, young children are often in the same company as pregnant women.  </p>
<p>Reduced MMR uptake poses just such a risk. Given that no plausible evidence has been produced to suggest that the vaccine poses risks to child development, and that there is no possibility of doubting that the disease poses devastating risks to child development, I think it is tragic and regrettable that misguided parents are campaigning against MMR. When they have a child with a developmental disorder themselves, they are then in the position of campaigning for the promotion of developmental defects in others. In my opinion, ill informed media journalists, like Jeni Barnett, and pressure groups like JABS, must bear a significant share of responsibility for cases of CRS occurring over the next 10 or 20 years. </p>
<p>References: too many to cite, really, but see for example Duszak RS (2009) <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19111256?ordinalpos=2&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" rel="nofollow">Congenital rubella syndrome – major review</a>. Optometry 80: 36-43, and Robinson JL et al (2006) <a href="http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16775038?ordinalpos=2&amp;itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez.Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DefaultReportPanel.Pubmed_RVDocSum" rel="nofollow">Prevention of congenital rubella syndrome – what makes sense in 2006?</a> Epidemiologic Reviews 28: 81-87.</p>
<p><b>Admin edit: quickly &#8211; thank you so much for this. Somewhere I have a stack of references on <i>Sense</i> and CRS but I could only find a couple and they weren&#8217;t right up to date &#8211; unlike the material you cite. We&#8217;ve edited to make the citations clickable. Thank you.</p>
<p>We&#8217;ve post links to the issue of vaccine safety in several posts but refer interested readers to the  latest article by Jeffrey Gerber and Paul Offit: <a href="http://www.journals.uchicago.edu/doi/full/10.1086/596476" rel="nofollow">Vaccines and Autism: A Tale of Shifting Hypotheses</a> and to AP Gaylard who has produced an <a href="http://apgaylard.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/the-science-museum-and-mmr/#offit" rel="nofollow">online version of some of the material concerning in Offit&#8217;s book</a>, <i>Autism&#8217;s False Prophets</i>.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Personal comments detract from original MMR / LBC debate &#124; Journalism.co.uk Editors' Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Personal comments detract from original MMR / LBC debate &#124; Journalism.co.uk Editors' Blog]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 12 Feb 2009 11:08:13 +0000</pubDate>
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