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		<title>By: Abigail Fletcher</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/holford-myths/comment-page-3/#comment-43209</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abigail Fletcher]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 19 Dec 2010 13:38:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At first Patrick did a lot of good for people, he demonstrated that your Doctor with his chemical pills is not always the way to go.  I also went to one of his seminars and discussed personally with him his thoughts on Gillian McKeith (who in my opinion did more harm than good) needless to say he does not like her at all.  His &#039;insights&#039; are not revolutionary, but he brought healthy nutrition to the masses, which in itself is not a bad thing.  When he started getting very commercial - about 5 years ago - I stopped subscribing to his entire point of view.  No-one really has all the answers, all we can do is read and make our own educated judgements.  I eat healthily and yes I take supplements, my partner thinks I&#039;m terrribly gullible, but I feel better for them and I feel stronger in my sport as a result.  Whilst I agree with some of what you say, I do think that Patrick deserves some respect for the work he has done and the tireless way in which he campaigns for nutrition and health, whilst he has got drawn into money making, you cannot take away the fact that he has educated some.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At first Patrick did a lot of good for people, he demonstrated that your Doctor with his chemical pills is not always the way to go.  I also went to one of his seminars and discussed personally with him his thoughts on Gillian McKeith (who in my opinion did more harm than good) needless to say he does not like her at all.  His &#8216;insights&#8217; are not revolutionary, but he brought healthy nutrition to the masses, which in itself is not a bad thing.  When he started getting very commercial &#8211; about 5 years ago &#8211; I stopped subscribing to his entire point of view.  No-one really has all the answers, all we can do is read and make our own educated judgements.  I eat healthily and yes I take supplements, my partner thinks I&#8217;m terrribly gullible, but I feel better for them and I feel stronger in my sport as a result.  Whilst I agree with some of what you say, I do think that Patrick deserves some respect for the work he has done and the tireless way in which he campaigns for nutrition and health, whilst he has got drawn into money making, you cannot take away the fact that he has educated some.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Stromberg</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/holford-myths/comment-page-3/#comment-39338</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Stromberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 18:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ted, your &#039;paper&#039; is not peer reviewed - contains no references that are credible (or at least the reference is to your own work). It has not been subject to peer review.  I have no idea whether or not you are right. But I suggest you submit an abstract to a physics or biology conference.  It is one thing to have an idea, it is another to produce data that supports it!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ted, your &#8216;paper&#8217; is not peer reviewed &#8211; contains no references that are credible (or at least the reference is to your own work). It has not been subject to peer review.  I have no idea whether or not you are right. But I suggest you submit an abstract to a physics or biology conference.  It is one thing to have an idea, it is another to produce data that supports it!</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Stromberg</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/holford-myths/comment-page-3/#comment-39337</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Simon Stromberg]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Sep 2010 17:58:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What really frustrates me is the people that criticize this site and &#039;its apparent persecution of Holford&#039; without being prepared to engage in at least trying to understand  the basic principles behind evidence based analysis of efficacy.  OK so if you you confused by the efficacy here is some help.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy

I would be happy to engage in debate over the validity of randomized and blinded trials and testing  of efficacy of supplements, drugs, psychology.....whatever you want. But you must come up with a rationale argument against the criticism made by the site and then we should be prepared to debate it.  But here are the facts as I understand them. 

Fact, Holford is not a professor, not in any recognised or validated academic institution. 

Fact. Holford has no accredited degree-level or postgraduate-level qualifications in nutrition; he has never taken any exams or been subjected to a critical appraisal of his knowledge of the sort one might expect with qualifications. 

Fact, Holford pedals myths and pseudoscience babble (e.g Q-Link). I will offer £10,000 to anyone who can demonstrate any electric current of field or noticable physical effect of QLink through recognised trialing or testing procedures.  

Fact many papers and research he refers to are either a)Not from recognised peer reviewed journals or b) have been widely disputed and discredited. c) Fact his books refer to work by Ranjit Chandra who has been revealed as faking data and research.

Fact. Many of his claims are completely unsubstantiated by any credible research.

Fact. He has been a professional pharma or supplements salesman since he graduated he clearly has a vested interest in selling supplements.

Fact. Some supplements do have significant health benefits (Folic Acid anyone).  However, Holford did not contribute to this in any form of credible research. This site is not against supplements but against pseudo science that can be easily be shown as complete nonsense from which people are making financial gain. This is fraud. This is your money going to make quacks rich. They are stealing from you. 

I have (unlike Mr Holford) a bona-fida Ph.D. OK so my Ph.D was not earth shattering and may have been a bit iffy, but a least I submitted it to credible peer review. Also before anyone asks my Ph.D is in earth sciences and not medicine, nutrition. I have no financial interest in any drugs, pharama etc... Unlike Holford I am not a millionaire made wealthy by selling supplements.  Vested interest? Ethics anyone.

 I was a childhood asthmatic and modern medicine (steroids) saved my life.  What would have happened if Holford had treated my serious attacks.  This is not funny this is serious! The myths he peddles could kill someone one day who could have been saved by a treatment that has been subject to normal validation and testing. The media has a responsibility to check the credentials and facts behind the so called experts.

I am happy to publish my name and you can sue me in a court of law.  Go on find a lawyer who will do it on legal aid!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What really frustrates me is the people that criticize this site and &#8216;its apparent persecution of Holford&#8217; without being prepared to engage in at least trying to understand  the basic principles behind evidence based analysis of efficacy.  OK so if you you confused by the efficacy here is some help.</p>
<p><a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Efficacy</a></p>
<p>I would be happy to engage in debate over the validity of randomized and blinded trials and testing  of efficacy of supplements, drugs, psychology&#8230;..whatever you want. But you must come up with a rationale argument against the criticism made by the site and then we should be prepared to debate it.  But here are the facts as I understand them. </p>
<p>Fact, Holford is not a professor, not in any recognised or validated academic institution. </p>
<p>Fact. Holford has no accredited degree-level or postgraduate-level qualifications in nutrition; he has never taken any exams or been subjected to a critical appraisal of his knowledge of the sort one might expect with qualifications. </p>
<p>Fact, Holford pedals myths and pseudoscience babble (e.g Q-Link). I will offer £10,000 to anyone who can demonstrate any electric current of field or noticable physical effect of QLink through recognised trialing or testing procedures.  </p>
<p>Fact many papers and research he refers to are either a)Not from recognised peer reviewed journals or b) have been widely disputed and discredited. c) Fact his books refer to work by Ranjit Chandra who has been revealed as faking data and research.</p>
<p>Fact. Many of his claims are completely unsubstantiated by any credible research.</p>
<p>Fact. He has been a professional pharma or supplements salesman since he graduated he clearly has a vested interest in selling supplements.</p>
<p>Fact. Some supplements do have significant health benefits (Folic Acid anyone).  However, Holford did not contribute to this in any form of credible research. This site is not against supplements but against pseudo science that can be easily be shown as complete nonsense from which people are making financial gain. This is fraud. This is your money going to make quacks rich. They are stealing from you. </p>
<p>I have (unlike Mr Holford) a bona-fida Ph.D. OK so my Ph.D was not earth shattering and may have been a bit iffy, but a least I submitted it to credible peer review. Also before anyone asks my Ph.D is in earth sciences and not medicine, nutrition. I have no financial interest in any drugs, pharama etc&#8230; Unlike Holford I am not a millionaire made wealthy by selling supplements.  Vested interest? Ethics anyone.</p>
<p> I was a childhood asthmatic and modern medicine (steroids) saved my life.  What would have happened if Holford had treated my serious attacks.  This is not funny this is serious! The myths he peddles could kill someone one day who could have been saved by a treatment that has been subject to normal validation and testing. The media has a responsibility to check the credentials and facts behind the so called experts.</p>
<p>I am happy to publish my name and you can sue me in a court of law.  Go on find a lawyer who will do it on legal aid!</p>
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		<title>By: James</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/holford-myths/comment-page-3/#comment-38551</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[James]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 27 Aug 2010 22:23:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I must thank this site, take back any crap i threw at you and apologize. However they have not taken me away from suplementation but have got me to look up a better and credible scientist in the field of nutrition. Which has lead me to more experts in particular fields on nutritional and other matters to do with health. The vast complexities that are involved with the human body is mind blowing. 

Nutrition and health is extrememly complex and all the princpals related to it don&#039;t help make things easier. Most suplements are completely useless. A lot of mineral supplements can contain a poorly absorbed form or maybe a particular form which is highly toxic in small doses compared to another. The DL form of vitamin E is almost completely useless. Manufactures can get a away with a hell of a lot with nutritional suplements. Then like all food, suplements slowly loses its values until your left with a pile of cemented dust. 

Then you have areas of nutrition such as Synergy, Biochemical Individuality, Lifestyle Dynamics, Physiological Dynamics and Evolutionary Dynamics. 

One hot potatoes which is on this site is anti-oxidants. The theory of anti-oxidants tackling free radicals which sounds all fairy dairy at a &quot;health food store&quot; (I hate that sentence with a passion) but its a complex subject. What makes it worse, is the princpals of synergy and biochemical individuality which makes long trails very hard to accomplish and get a good result. 

Real scientists and researchers (i mean real) in the field of nutrition do not need Patrick Holford and his hench men hanging around.

I signed up with ION for a year and received their e-newletters and mags. It was the same old recycled stuff over and over again. When that happens then you know business is getting nice and comfortable.

P.s. sorry for any bad grammer]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I must thank this site, take back any crap i threw at you and apologize. However they have not taken me away from suplementation but have got me to look up a better and credible scientist in the field of nutrition. Which has lead me to more experts in particular fields on nutritional and other matters to do with health. The vast complexities that are involved with the human body is mind blowing. </p>
<p>Nutrition and health is extrememly complex and all the princpals related to it don&#8217;t help make things easier. Most suplements are completely useless. A lot of mineral supplements can contain a poorly absorbed form or maybe a particular form which is highly toxic in small doses compared to another. The DL form of vitamin E is almost completely useless. Manufactures can get a away with a hell of a lot with nutritional suplements. Then like all food, suplements slowly loses its values until your left with a pile of cemented dust. </p>
<p>Then you have areas of nutrition such as Synergy, Biochemical Individuality, Lifestyle Dynamics, Physiological Dynamics and Evolutionary Dynamics. </p>
<p>One hot potatoes which is on this site is anti-oxidants. The theory of anti-oxidants tackling free radicals which sounds all fairy dairy at a &#8220;health food store&#8221; (I hate that sentence with a passion) but its a complex subject. What makes it worse, is the princpals of synergy and biochemical individuality which makes long trails very hard to accomplish and get a good result. </p>
<p>Real scientists and researchers (i mean real) in the field of nutrition do not need Patrick Holford and his hench men hanging around.</p>
<p>I signed up with ION for a year and received their e-newletters and mags. It was the same old recycled stuff over and over again. When that happens then you know business is getting nice and comfortable.</p>
<p>P.s. sorry for any bad grammer</p>
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		<title>By: Ted Howard NZ</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/holford-myths/comment-page-3/#comment-32738</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ted Howard NZ]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jun 2010 02:32:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I was recently diagnosed with metastasized melanoma, and am look for evidence for possible ways of push my survival to the long end of the probability curve.   The placebo effect seems to be my best bet (belief that I can do it).

I have heard Holford speak on a trip to New Zealand, and much of what he said sounded credible.

You make a claim above about dowsing and AK and a couple of others modalities that &quot; given our current understand of the laws of physics – lack any feasible mechanism of action&quot;.

That statement is in fact false.

If you check out www.fishnet.co.nz/ted/papers/laserrsn.htm you will see a mechanism that could potentially explain how those modalities work in some situations.
It is possible for associations to be formed as a by-product of storing and retrieving information as interference patterns (analogous to holograms).  If that is in fact how the subconscious human mind stores data (as seems probable), then it is potentially possible for subconscious intuitions derived from patterns present in observations, but not consciously recognised, to be driving these processes.

Keep up the skepticism, and keep an open mind.

Do not trust any &quot;science&quot; backed by money (be it direct as employees, or indirect via grants to institutions, or politically driven (via campaign contributions or other doubly indirect funding means).   Trust only what you confirm yourself, or is confirmed by someone you know and trust - and even then, be prepared to re-evaluate in the light of fresh information.

Yours in science and skepticism.
Ted]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was recently diagnosed with metastasized melanoma, and am look for evidence for possible ways of push my survival to the long end of the probability curve.   The placebo effect seems to be my best bet (belief that I can do it).</p>
<p>I have heard Holford speak on a trip to New Zealand, and much of what he said sounded credible.</p>
<p>You make a claim above about dowsing and AK and a couple of others modalities that &#8221; given our current understand of the laws of physics – lack any feasible mechanism of action&#8221;.</p>
<p>That statement is in fact false.</p>
<p>If you check out <a href="http://www.fishnet.co.nz/ted/papers/laserrsn.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.fishnet.co.nz/ted/papers/laserrsn.htm</a> you will see a mechanism that could potentially explain how those modalities work in some situations.<br />
It is possible for associations to be formed as a by-product of storing and retrieving information as interference patterns (analogous to holograms).  If that is in fact how the subconscious human mind stores data (as seems probable), then it is potentially possible for subconscious intuitions derived from patterns present in observations, but not consciously recognised, to be driving these processes.</p>
<p>Keep up the skepticism, and keep an open mind.</p>
<p>Do not trust any &#8220;science&#8221; backed by money (be it direct as employees, or indirect via grants to institutions, or politically driven (via campaign contributions or other doubly indirect funding means).   Trust only what you confirm yourself, or is confirmed by someone you know and trust &#8211; and even then, be prepared to re-evaluate in the light of fresh information.</p>
<p>Yours in science and skepticism.<br />
Ted</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/holford-myths/comment-page-1/#comment-32154</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Danny]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 18 May 2010 09:17:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think Rabbie was joking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think Rabbie was joking.</p>
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		<title>By: Lisa</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/holford-myths/comment-page-3/#comment-31886</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Lisa]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 May 2010 14:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I find it surprising that so many people can put stock in treatments when there is so little evidence to support such claims!

I was given an article of his to base a university project on, part of which was a critical analysis of the credibility of the piece. The result of extensive research has led me to conclude that ANY evidence which even suggests a positive effect of these treatments is limited and insubstantial at best. Conclusive evidence for the effectiveness for the majority, if not all, of these treatments simply does not exist. 

As for the debunking of Patrick Holford, is it really so difficult to understand the need to point out that these theories are deeply flawed and misleading. I for one, am disappointed that so many people buy in to such claims so easily, when most people seem to find it harder to simply eat sensibly and exercise regularly, which has proven and obvious benefits.

There are always one or two instances where something may have &#039;worked&#039;, but if a hundred people jump off a building and one survives and values their life more afterwards...it still doesn&#039;t make it a good idea! Unfortunately it is the exceptions rather than the rule that everyone seems to remember.

So thanks for all the information, I don&#039;t care who you are or ar not working for, at the end of the day minimal research proves the truth in what you are saying. I would certainly say you&#039;re doing more good for the world than Patrick Holford is!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I find it surprising that so many people can put stock in treatments when there is so little evidence to support such claims!</p>
<p>I was given an article of his to base a university project on, part of which was a critical analysis of the credibility of the piece. The result of extensive research has led me to conclude that ANY evidence which even suggests a positive effect of these treatments is limited and insubstantial at best. Conclusive evidence for the effectiveness for the majority, if not all, of these treatments simply does not exist. </p>
<p>As for the debunking of Patrick Holford, is it really so difficult to understand the need to point out that these theories are deeply flawed and misleading. I for one, am disappointed that so many people buy in to such claims so easily, when most people seem to find it harder to simply eat sensibly and exercise regularly, which has proven and obvious benefits.</p>
<p>There are always one or two instances where something may have &#8216;worked&#8217;, but if a hundred people jump off a building and one survives and values their life more afterwards&#8230;it still doesn&#8217;t make it a good idea! Unfortunately it is the exceptions rather than the rule that everyone seems to remember.</p>
<p>So thanks for all the information, I don&#8217;t care who you are or ar not working for, at the end of the day minimal research proves the truth in what you are saying. I would certainly say you&#8217;re doing more good for the world than Patrick Holford is!</p>
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		<title>By: jonhw</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jonhw]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 13:23:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t &#039;dismiss&#039; anything - clearly Gene is feeling better.  However, we can&#039;t draw broad conclusions based on a single experience like this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t &#8216;dismiss&#8217; anything &#8211; clearly Gene is feeling better.  However, we can&#8217;t draw broad conclusions based on a single experience like this.</p>
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		<title>By: jo</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/holford-myths/comment-page-2/#comment-30243</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 08:41:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Please do not think I am a supporter of Holford. I think he is abit of a knobber.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Please do not think I am a supporter of Holford. I think he is abit of a knobber.</p>
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		<title>By: jo</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[jo]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 11 Apr 2010 08:39:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John, are you so arrogant as to completely dismiss what gene has told you. basically you have just told her that the changes that she made to her environment had nothing to do with her recovery. Bloody hell john you really are that brainwahed. 
Lets slow the immune system that is causing infammation. No, let consider what is driving the immune response. How hard can that philosophy be to take on board john
Are you aware of the latest research on the gut microflora and our immune responses. Probably not, due to the fact that you seem incapable of linking body systems and how they drive disease processes.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>John, are you so arrogant as to completely dismiss what gene has told you. basically you have just told her that the changes that she made to her environment had nothing to do with her recovery. Bloody hell john you really are that brainwahed.<br />
Lets slow the immune system that is causing infammation. No, let consider what is driving the immune response. How hard can that philosophy be to take on board john<br />
Are you aware of the latest research on the gut microflora and our immune responses. Probably not, due to the fact that you seem incapable of linking body systems and how they drive disease processes.</p>
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