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		<title>By: mole</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/holfordisms/holford-howlers/comment-page-7/#comment-17536</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Mar 2009 23:39:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Looking at the post of LeeT is is interesting to examine the posted cvs of the BANT ethics committee.

highlights include:
NLP master practitioner
Private practice in Nutrition, Iridology and Reflexology
Practised as a Homoeopath for 15 years
Worked for 20 years in retail (wholefood shops)
Runs workshops and on both Nutrition and Homeopathy

A cooks tour of alternative therapy with the nutritional therapy of Psychology (Neuro Linguistic Programming) heading the list.

Interestingly, a course that seems to feature prominently on the members cvs is the University of Westminster BSc Honours Health Sciences: Nutritional Therapy (3 years). Can anyone shed any light on the academic credentials of this course? It is intersting to note that the &quot;students are required to join the British Association of Nutritional Therapists (BANT), and as students may also join the Nutrition Society and the British Society for Ecological Medicine. Please note that this course does not lead to a diploma in dietetics.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the post of LeeT is is interesting to examine the posted cvs of the BANT ethics committee.</p>
<p>highlights include:<br />
NLP master practitioner<br />
Private practice in Nutrition, Iridology and Reflexology<br />
Practised as a Homoeopath for 15 years<br />
Worked for 20 years in retail (wholefood shops)<br />
Runs workshops and on both Nutrition and Homeopathy</p>
<p>A cooks tour of alternative therapy with the nutritional therapy of Psychology (Neuro Linguistic Programming) heading the list.</p>
<p>Interestingly, a course that seems to feature prominently on the members cvs is the University of Westminster BSc Honours Health Sciences: Nutritional Therapy (3 years). Can anyone shed any light on the academic credentials of this course? It is intersting to note that the &#8220;students are required to join the British Association of Nutritional Therapists (BANT), and as students may also join the Nutrition Society and the British Society for Ecological Medicine. Please note that this course does not lead to a diploma in dietetics.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: sensible girl</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/holfordisms/holford-howlers/comment-page-7/#comment-15142</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 19:10:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is a great explanation of &lt;a href=&quot;http://holfordmyths.org/2008/03/28/why-do-mainstream-media-promote-patrick-holford/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;pundit brand equity&lt;/a&gt; and why the media won&#039;t be willing to admit that they are wrong to promote Patrick Holford.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is a great explanation of <a href="http://holfordmyths.org/2008/03/28/why-do-mainstream-media-promote-patrick-holford/" rel="nofollow">pundit brand equity</a> and why the media won&#8217;t be willing to admit that they are wrong to promote Patrick Holford.</p>
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		<title>By: paulie</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/holfordisms/holford-howlers/comment-page-7/#comment-15106</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 04:33:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[These trolls of yours range from concern trolls out to people you&#039;d not want to sit next to on the bus but one thing sticks out - they never read before criticising.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>These trolls of yours range from concern trolls out to people you&#8217;d not want to sit next to on the bus but one thing sticks out &#8211; they never read before criticising.</p>
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		<title>By: Felixity</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/holfordisms/holford-howlers/comment-page-7/#comment-15100</link>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 22 Feb 2009 00:45:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It&#039;s strange that he can be so inaccurate in his conclusions and misleading in his advice and yet doesn&#039;t get exposed in the wider popular media.  

I suppose since he&#039;s not a member of a properly regulated profession that means that there&#039;s nothing exciting or newsworthy enough as there was when Dr Raj Persaud was suspended by the GMC for plagiarism. 

That&#039;s a great pity.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s strange that he can be so inaccurate in his conclusions and misleading in his advice and yet doesn&#8217;t get exposed in the wider popular media.  </p>
<p>I suppose since he&#8217;s not a member of a properly regulated profession that means that there&#8217;s nothing exciting or newsworthy enough as there was when Dr Raj Persaud was suspended by the GMC for plagiarism. </p>
<p>That&#8217;s a great pity.</p>
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		<title>By: Simon Morgan</title>
		<link>http://holfordwatch.info/holfordisms/holford-howlers/comment-page-7/#comment-15083</link>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 21 Feb 2009 08:40:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Your Holford watch site would be a good deal more credible if it too pointed out some of the good that Patrick&#039;s work leads to - for example a heightened intereest in good nutrition rather than a dumb acceptance of the food industry&#039;s products.  I am absolutely happy to accept that Holford makes mistakes (as does the entire scientific community) but your 100% attack actually makes it more difficult to see the wood from the trees rather than easier, which is what you profess to do.  Why don&#039;t you yourselves put up an article that has on the one hand all the good, accurate and useful ideas he promulgates and on the other side what you consider to be his errors. THAT would be fair reporting and would allow readers such as myself to see any inbuilt bias that your &#039;advanced&#039; eductation has led to.   Having a load of letters after your name does not make you right - Thalidomide is just one case that comes to mind - so much for &#039;scientific studies&#039;.  Of course research should be carried out and effects be measurable, and, as it is OBVIOUS that what much of Holford says IS accurate, then why not point that out in your blogs so that your analysis could be considered less of a personal attack and more of a rationed argument.

&lt;b&gt;Admin edit: the parts of Holford&#039;s work that are original are not good. The parts that are good are not original. You haven&#039;t read that much of the blog so are in no position to comment on our balance versus his. His work is riddled by scientific error, I don&#039;t think you understand the scale of it. We do point out the useful material (usually in line with what your grandmother might have told you) but you really haven&#039;t read our work so are in no position to comment.

As for what you suggest, why don&#039;t you do that yourself? Why don&#039;t you suggest that on Patrick Holford&#039;s own blog? Except, &lt;a href=&quot;http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/03/patrick-holford-has-what-he-calls-a-blog/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;you can&#039;t, unless you are a paying member of his club&lt;/a&gt;. 

As a matter of interest, did &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; write and complain to Patrick Holford about his &#039;unfairness&#039; when he decided to host some vile and decidedly one-sided material about Ben Goldacre, Catherine Collins and other people on his website? Or even his usual &lt;a href=&quot;http://holfordwatch.info/2008/11/20/does-patrick-holford-lack-generosity-of-spirit-as-well-as-scholarly-accuracy/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;diatribe about the BDA&lt;/a&gt;? What about his &lt;a href=&quot;http://holfordwatch.info/2008/04/10/patrick-holford-and-his-own-reality-part-1-the-blobbogram/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;conspiracy theories and attacks on the integrity of senior researchers such as Professor Carolyn Summerbell&lt;/a&gt;?

Have &lt;i&gt;you&lt;/i&gt; written to Patrick Holford to ask why he has decided not to correct his many errors? Why, for example, he still advocates &#039;treatments for autism&#039; that are &lt;a href=&quot;http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/20/patrick-holford-on-andrew-wakefield-he-needs-to-issue-an-update/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;grounded in fraud and deliberate manipulation&lt;/a&gt;?

Any time we give 15 footnotes and 20 references you might be fairly sure that we have given a reasoned, well-thought out argument. Again, you demonstrate that you haven&#039;t read our work.

As for the remainder of your points, please consult our previous answers or &lt;a href=&quot;http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/05/doggerel-index-suggestions.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Bronze Dog&#039;s doggerel index&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your Holford watch site would be a good deal more credible if it too pointed out some of the good that Patrick&#8217;s work leads to &#8211; for example a heightened intereest in good nutrition rather than a dumb acceptance of the food industry&#8217;s products.  I am absolutely happy to accept that Holford makes mistakes (as does the entire scientific community) but your 100% attack actually makes it more difficult to see the wood from the trees rather than easier, which is what you profess to do.  Why don&#8217;t you yourselves put up an article that has on the one hand all the good, accurate and useful ideas he promulgates and on the other side what you consider to be his errors. THAT would be fair reporting and would allow readers such as myself to see any inbuilt bias that your &#8216;advanced&#8217; eductation has led to.   Having a load of letters after your name does not make you right &#8211; Thalidomide is just one case that comes to mind &#8211; so much for &#8216;scientific studies&#8217;.  Of course research should be carried out and effects be measurable, and, as it is OBVIOUS that what much of Holford says IS accurate, then why not point that out in your blogs so that your analysis could be considered less of a personal attack and more of a rationed argument.</p>
<p><b>Admin edit: the parts of Holford&#8217;s work that are original are not good. The parts that are good are not original. You haven&#8217;t read that much of the blog so are in no position to comment on our balance versus his. His work is riddled by scientific error, I don&#8217;t think you understand the scale of it. We do point out the useful material (usually in line with what your grandmother might have told you) but you really haven&#8217;t read our work so are in no position to comment.</p>
<p>As for what you suggest, why don&#8217;t you do that yourself? Why don&#8217;t you suggest that on Patrick Holford&#8217;s own blog? Except, <a href="http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/03/patrick-holford-has-what-he-calls-a-blog/" rel="nofollow">you can&#8217;t, unless you are a paying member of his club</a>. </p>
<p>As a matter of interest, did <i>you</i> write and complain to Patrick Holford about his &#8216;unfairness&#8217; when he decided to host some vile and decidedly one-sided material about Ben Goldacre, Catherine Collins and other people on his website? Or even his usual <a href="http://holfordwatch.info/2008/11/20/does-patrick-holford-lack-generosity-of-spirit-as-well-as-scholarly-accuracy/" rel="nofollow">diatribe about the BDA</a>? What about his <a href="http://holfordwatch.info/2008/04/10/patrick-holford-and-his-own-reality-part-1-the-blobbogram/" rel="nofollow">conspiracy theories and attacks on the integrity of senior researchers such as Professor Carolyn Summerbell</a>?</p>
<p>Have <i>you</i> written to Patrick Holford to ask why he has decided not to correct his many errors? Why, for example, he still advocates &#8216;treatments for autism&#8217; that are <a href="http://holfordwatch.info/2009/02/20/patrick-holford-on-andrew-wakefield-he-needs-to-issue-an-update/" rel="nofollow">grounded in fraud and deliberate manipulation</a>?</p>
<p>Any time we give 15 footnotes and 20 references you might be fairly sure that we have given a reasoned, well-thought out argument. Again, you demonstrate that you haven&#8217;t read our work.</p>
<p>As for the remainder of your points, please consult our previous answers or <a href="http://rockstarramblings.blogspot.com/2006/05/doggerel-index-suggestions.html" rel="nofollow">Bronze Dog&#8217;s doggerel index</a>.</b></p>
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		<title>By: keko</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 21:08:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[People are looking to have food security. I am tired of people trying to convince us that there is no nutrition in our everyday foods. Such people should have to live in parts of the world where the quality of food is poor, there is no refrigeration, and there is no reliable supply chain.

Worried well westerners with nothing better to do than subject themselves to false alarms and scare-mongering.

&lt;b&gt;Admin edit: it is interesting because the BNF recently called for &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Industry/Give-omega-3-to-the-poor-says-UK-health-group&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Omega-3 capsules to be distributed to &#039;the poor&#039;&lt;/a&gt; on the grounds that Omega-3 is important and UK is apparently not awash with people who enjoy oily fish.&lt;blockquote&gt;The charity organisation that promotes better nutrition also called for greater education about the role of omega-3 in the diet of a nation that is blatantly “not an ‘oily fish-loving’” country.

“Making high-quality supplements more available to those subgroups of the population who may not normally be able to afford them, and may be likely to benefit most from them, could help individuals to achieve optimal health,” wrote Ingennus nutrition scientist, Dr Nina Bailey in a BNF paper.

Bailey added: “Substantial research is needed to clarify the role that long-chain fatty acids play in health and disease to enable the public to modulate their diet accordingly. The use of supplements and the attempts to fortify foodstuffs could play an important role in improving our intake of n-3 fatty acids, at least in some groups.”&lt;/blockquote&gt;There is obviously no dispute that people could (if they wish) buy a couple of sardines per week and feed 2-4 people with enough Omega-3 to meet their needs and for around 50-60p. I understand the intent and there may be a certain pragmatism about this but it feels misguided.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People are looking to have food security. I am tired of people trying to convince us that there is no nutrition in our everyday foods. Such people should have to live in parts of the world where the quality of food is poor, there is no refrigeration, and there is no reliable supply chain.</p>
<p>Worried well westerners with nothing better to do than subject themselves to false alarms and scare-mongering.</p>
<p><b>Admin edit: it is interesting because the BNF recently called for <a href="http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Industry/Give-omega-3-to-the-poor-says-UK-health-group" rel="nofollow">Omega-3 capsules to be distributed to &#8216;the poor&#8217;</a> on the grounds that Omega-3 is important and UK is apparently not awash with people who enjoy oily fish.<br />
<blockquote>The charity organisation that promotes better nutrition also called for greater education about the role of omega-3 in the diet of a nation that is blatantly “not an ‘oily fish-loving’” country.</p>
<p>“Making high-quality supplements more available to those subgroups of the population who may not normally be able to afford them, and may be likely to benefit most from them, could help individuals to achieve optimal health,” wrote Ingennus nutrition scientist, Dr Nina Bailey in a BNF paper.</p>
<p>Bailey added: “Substantial research is needed to clarify the role that long-chain fatty acids play in health and disease to enable the public to modulate their diet accordingly. The use of supplements and the attempts to fortify foodstuffs could play an important role in improving our intake of n-3 fatty acids, at least in some groups.”</p></blockquote>
<p>There is obviously no dispute that people could (if they wish) buy a couple of sardines per week and feed 2-4 people with enough Omega-3 to meet their needs and for around 50-60p. I understand the intent and there may be a certain pragmatism about this but it feels misguided.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Erewon</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Erewon]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 00:48:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had no idea that a published author could quote so much science and get it wrong.

&lt;b&gt;Admin edit: one may cite and cite and be a wretched scholar if one has not read the material correctly (or, sometimes, read it at all).&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had no idea that a published author could quote so much science and get it wrong.</p>
<p><b>Admin edit: one may cite and cite and be a wretched scholar if one has not read the material correctly (or, sometimes, read it at all).</b></p>
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		<title>By: Vinez</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 20:25:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It is crazy that he has made all these mistakes but there is no way of getting his publishers to correct them.

Shouldn&#039;t there be a new category on book shelves for this sort of thing? Demi-fiction by the fictitiously qualified?

&lt;b&gt;Admin edit: &quot;Demi-fiction by the fictitiously qualified?&quot; Heh. If you don&#039;t mind, we might borrow that (with attribution).]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is crazy that he has made all these mistakes but there is no way of getting his publishers to correct them.</p>
<p>Shouldn&#8217;t there be a new category on book shelves for this sort of thing? Demi-fiction by the fictitiously qualified?</p>
<p><b>Admin edit: &#8220;Demi-fiction by the fictitiously qualified?&#8221; Heh. If you don&#8217;t mind, we might borrow that (with attribution).</b></p>
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		<title>By: graham</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 13:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When are the publishers going to step up and take responsibility for correcting the errors that you highlight?

&lt;b&gt;Admin edit: interesting point. &lt;a href=&quot;http://holfordwatch.info/2008/04/02/patrick-holford-responds-to-radio-4-programme-and-misses-the-point-to-be-fair-so-does-stephanie-fox/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Patrick Holford refuses to consider any corrections unless he agrees with them&lt;/a&gt; and declares himself too busy to deal with the documented corrections on a blog.&lt;/b&gt;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When are the publishers going to step up and take responsibility for correcting the errors that you highlight?</p>
<p><b>Admin edit: interesting point. <a href="http://holfordwatch.info/2008/04/02/patrick-holford-responds-to-radio-4-programme-and-misses-the-point-to-be-fair-so-does-stephanie-fox/" rel="nofollow">Patrick Holford refuses to consider any corrections unless he agrees with them</a> and declares himself too busy to deal with the documented corrections on a blog.</b></p>
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		<title>By: Karen Davis</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Karen Davis]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:22:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I read that NEw York Times article about the &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/03/health/03vitamins.html?_r=1&amp;partner=permalink&amp;exprod=permalink&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;children who take supplements usually being the ones who don&#039;t need them&lt;/a&gt;. 

People like HOlford are selling stuff to the worried well.

&lt;b&gt;Admin edit: yes, it is very much about the sales.&lt;/b&gt;


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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I read that NEw York Times article about the <a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/03/health/03vitamins.html?_r=1&amp;partner=permalink&amp;exprod=permalink" rel="nofollow">children who take supplements usually being the ones who don&#8217;t need them</a>. </p>
<p>People like HOlford are selling stuff to the worried well.</p>
<p><b>Admin edit: yes, it is very much about the sales.</b></p>
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